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<p>to je komplikovane, lebo porovnavane cisla maju velmi rozdielne
velkosti. Ak je spravna hodnota 1 a tipnes 0.01, alebo 100, si
rovnako daleko. Ako to vyjadrit formou odchylky?<br>
</p>
<p>Napada ma mozno absolutna hodnota logaritmov pomerov. To nam
povie o kolko radov si sa u kazdej hodnoty sekol. Ked sa z toho
urobi priemer, tak ako blizko si bol priemerne. Ak si presne tak
je hodnota 0. A ked sa urobi sucet tych hodnot tak aku si mal
celkovu chybu. <br>
</p>
<p>Priemerne si sa sekol o 1.2 radu a celkovo o 14.3 radu na 12
otazkach :-)<br>
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<td class="xl63" width="151" style="width:113pt">Priemer
(|log10(tipovana/skutocna)|)</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl66" style="height:15.75pt">Marian</td>
<td class="xl67">1.06</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Standa</td>
<td class="xl67">1.10</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl69" style="height:15.75pt">ok1duo</td>
<td class="xl67">1.14</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl70" style="height:15.75pt">Láďa
Kručinský</td>
<td class="xl67">1.19</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl71" style="height:15.75pt">Jakub</td>
<td class="xl67">1.39</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Eterek</td>
<td class="xl67">1.51</td>
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<td class="xl64">Suma (|log10(tipovana/skutocna)|)</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl66" style="height:15.75pt">Marian</td>
<td class="xl67">12.68</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Standa</td>
<td class="xl67">13.20</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl69" style="height:15.75pt">ok1duo</td>
<td class="xl67">13.64</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl70" style="height:15.75pt">Láďa
Kručinský</td>
<td class="xl67">14.31</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl71" style="height:15.75pt">Jakub</td>
<td class="xl67">16.63</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Eterek</td>
<td class="xl67">18.15</td>
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<p>za to mas najhorsiu najnizsiu chybu, a ale druhu najlepsiu
maximalnu chybu <br>
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<td height="20" class="xl66" style="height:15.75pt">Marian</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Standa</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl69" style="height:15.75pt">Láďa
Kručinský</td>
<td class="xl71">0.40</td>
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<td class="xl71">1.97</td>
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<tr height="20" style="mso-height-source:userset;height:15.75pt">
<td height="20" class="xl66" style="height:15.75pt">Láďa
Kručinský</td>
<td class="xl71">2.11</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl65" style="height:15.75pt">Jakub</td>
<td class="xl71">2.34</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl68" style="height:15.75pt">Standa</td>
<td class="xl71">2.42</td>
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<tr height="20" style="mso-height-source:userset;height:15.75pt">
<td height="20" class="xl69" style="height:15.75pt">ok1duo</td>
<td class="xl71">2.51</td>
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<td height="20" class="xl73" style="height:15.75pt">Eterek</td>
<td class="xl71">4.04</td>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/01/2025 15:58, Ladislav Kručinský
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A mně se
právě tenhle způsob grafu moc líbí, i když z něho jasně
vyplývá, že jsem nebyl schopen žádnou z odpovědí dát co
nejblíže té správné. Ale já to opravdu střílel na základě
minimální rozvahy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ten
geometrický průměr u jednotlivců mi ale připadá býti celkem
na kočku, neb nejlíp vyhodnotí někoho, kdo bude mít (např.)
polovinu odpovědí 1000x vyšší a druhou polovinu 1000x nižší.
Nebyl by lepší průměr odchylek? Nebo se pletu? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Zdravím<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Láďa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Hw-list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz"><hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Daniel Valuch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 26, 2025 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: kviz na tento tyzden LHC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>poslane sukromne. Do konferencie som odpovede zatial
neposielal, len ako blizko ste sa trafili. Tie budu az po
fyzikalnom ctvrtku. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26/01/2025 11:16, Zdeněk Aster wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Prosim mužes
poslat hodnoty těch věcí já koukám do toho grafu a<br>
nejsem z toho vůbec moudrý a to zhruba vím co jsem dával za
hodnoty.....<br>
Celkem by mě zajímaly ty údaje, protože to je to zajímavé a
nějak nejsem schopen<br>
to z grafu pobrat.<br>
<br>
<br>
Zdeněk Aster<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dne 26.01.2025 v 10:14 Daniel Valuch
napsal(a):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>tu su vysledky. Sutaziveho ducha ma len 6 ludi :-) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Metodika vyhodnotenia: Tipovanu hodnotu som vydelil
skutocnou hodnotou a vysledok vyniesol do grafu. Pre
vysledne poradie som zvolil geometricky priemer. V
logaritmickej mierke nam povie ako blizko je hodnota
skutocne. 1 znamena presne. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Okometricky by mal najmensi rozptyl Marian, keby si
netypol 100x viac casovacich udalosti. Takisto su tipovane
cisla vseobecne priblizne 8 nasobne podstrelene. Najvacsi
problem su tie casovacie udalosti, bez nich by bolo LHC
este viac podcenene :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Zatial tolko, konkretne hodnoty prezradime v maji.
Ucastnikom kvizu, na ktorych mam kontakt poslem sukromne.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>b.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="right"
style="text-align:right">0.261193302<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-align:right">0.18464931<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="right"
style="text-align:right">0.080095466<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" align="right"
style="text-align:right">0.062229993<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20/01/2025 22:50, Daniel Valuch
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">zdravim
osadenstvo, <br>
<br>
pri priprave nadchadzajucich seminarov sa pokusam dat
dokopy zopar potencialne zaujimavych cisiel ohladom
technologii v LHC. Dlzka kablov, pocet zasuviek, pocet
serverov a tak. Pytal som sa kolegov a niektore cisla ma
celkom prekvapili (v obidvoch smeroch). Ak si chcete
tipnut par cisiel, tu je formular <br>
<br>
Vyhodnotime niekedy ku koncu tyzdna. Kto bude mat
najnizsiu akumulovanu chybu mi moze kupit pivo na
nasledujucej listovici :-) <br>
<br>
b. <o:p></o:p></p>
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