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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tak sorry, nema to sym. napajeni
koukam, bude potreba ;-)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 22.01.2025 v 11:22 Jaroslav Buchta
napsal(a):<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jeste nechapu vyznam C3, pri tak
malem DC zesileni druheho stupne, myslim, ze to bude uplne
stejne fungovat bez nej.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 22.01.2025 v 11:20 Jaroslav
Buchta napsal(a):<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">C2 ma stejnou funkci jako Cin, tam
keramika asi taky staci.Otazka je, jestli by vadila jako Cf,
kdyz bude na vysoke napeti, napetova zavislost kapacity by se
nemela vyznamne projevit. Jina negativa me nenapadaji.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 22.01.2025 v 11:02 Róbert Šuška
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Do
vyrobenej doštičky si už dcéra osadila rezistory a
dneska nás čaká pokračovanie, kondenzátory atď. Tak som
sa chcel opýtať, aby bol výsledok čo najlepší, aké druhy
kondenzátorov zvoliť. Mám na mysli keramické/fóliové.
Jedná sa mi o Cin, Cf a C2. Skúsim si tipnúť Cin
keramika Cf a C2 fóliové?</span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Robo<br>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
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name="_MailOriginal" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Hw-list <hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz> On
Behalf Of Vláďa Anděl<br>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2025 11:08 AM<br>
To: hw-list@list.hw.cz<br>
Subject: Re: Predzosilňovač k piezo meniču akustickej
gitary</span><span></span></a></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>My
jsme experimentovali s krystalem z přenosky, ale taky to
nebylo ono. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Pak
jsem někde v bazaru sehnal krystalové mikrofony. To byl
v principu <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>taky
krystal ze siegnettovy soli, ale byl větší. Ten krystal
z mikrofonu <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>byl
povoskovaný, aby k němu nemohla vlhkost a nic nevydržel,
hodně se <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>lámal.
Takže se zase nedal přilepit. Nějak to hrálo, ale strčit
do <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>kytary
mikrofon bylo skoro lepší.<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Anděl<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>Dne
13.01.2025 v 22:52 Pavel Kutina napsal(a):<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
Tedy jestli správně tuším, jak jste starý, tak "za
našich mladých let" <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
nikdo ani neuvažoval o tom, že by ten křemíkový výbrus
použil k něčemu <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
tak přízemnímu, jako je snímání zvuku, a ještě navíc z
kytary :)<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>><span> </span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
Ale vážně - první piezosnímač na akustiku jsem si
kupoval až pár let <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
po revoluci, předtím jsem experimentoval s pípákem z
(nefunkčních) <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
pašovaných digitálek, ale nějak to nebylo ono. A ono by
to možná bylo <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
ono, kdyby to už tenkrát dostalo odpovídající
hodněvysokoimpedanční <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
předzesilovač a ne jen ten overdrive s KC509F, do
kterého jsem to <span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
připojoval já :)<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
Pavel Kutina<span></span></span></p>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Vláďa Anděl" <span></span></span></p>
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<</span><a href="mailto:vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz</span></span></a><span>><span></span></span></p>
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To: <</span><a href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 10:33 PM<span></span></span></p>
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Subject: Re: Predzosilňovač k piezo meniču akustickej
gitary<span></span></span></p>
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Dne 13.01.2025 v 20:29 Pavel Kutina napsal(a):<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Odkaz na Ali se mi neotevírá (prázdná stránka, nevím
proč), ale <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
jestli to nemá žádnou svoji "inteligenci", pak je to
opravdu nutné <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
připojovat k předzesilovači s velkým vstupním odporem,
což zapojení z <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
třetího odkazu není (ten je pro vinuté snímače).<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
A vzhledem k tomu, že s tím určitě budete kroutit a
testovat, co co <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
ovlivňuje, tak bych šel v první fázi podle obr 3
(protože je <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
jednodušší a výsledek bude slyšet hned), v druhé fázi k
tomu u číňana <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
koupíte celý předzesilovač s EQ a ladičkou... <span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
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<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Mám podobný v kytaře a funguje, jen to chce trochu
truhlařiny.<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>><span> </span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Pavel Kutina<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
----- Original Message ----- From: Róbert Šuška<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
To: </span><a href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">hw-list@list.hw.cz</span></span></a><span><span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 7:39 PM<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Subject: Predzosilňovač k piezo meniču akustickej gitary<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Za našich mladých let se do takového předzesilovače dal
jeden <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
tranzistor. Tehdy BF245, protože to byl jediný, co se
dal sehnat :-) <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Dneska bych tam dal 2SK209. Nevím, jak je to se šumem
OZ, ale říkalo <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
se, že vlivem těch velkých záporných zpětných vazeb je
ten šum vyšší, <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
než šum samotného tranzistoru. Sice ten jeden tranzistor
bude mít <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
nějaké zkreslení, ale asi né zas tak velké, aby vadilo a
příznivci <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
elektronek říkali, že 2. harmonická zvuk pročišťuje :-)<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>><span> </span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>
Anděl<span></span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>><span> </span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>><span> </span></span></p>
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style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Dobrý večer,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
dcéra cvičí na gitaru a chcel by som zostrojiť
predzosilňovač pre <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
piezo menič, ktorý pripojím na linkový vstup zvukovej
karty. Skorej <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
ako to spravím chcel som sa opýtať aké zapojenie je na
to najvhodnejšie?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Menič:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
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<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Na snímači je trimer ktorý mení kapacitu od cca 500pF do
12nF merané <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
pri 1kHz.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Objavil som zaujímavé zapojenia pre rôzne kapacity piezo
meničov:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
</span><a href="https://sound-au.com/project202.htm"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://sound-au.com/project202.htm</span></span></a><span><span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Tak si hovorím, že zapojenie z obrázku 3 bude asi
najvhodnejšie a <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
trimrom na meniči sa krútiť nebude. Nastavím ho na 10nF
a bude to <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
fungovať?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoPlainText"
style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span>>>
Tu je ešte jedno zapojenie, ale to prvé sa mi páči viac.
Čisto <span></span></span></p>
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