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    Mě to teda přijde zcela normální:<br>
    Kondenzátory jsou paralelně k CMOS obvodům a ty v jednom směru při
    malém U nic nežerou, v druhém jsou jak dioda v propustném směru.<br>
    <br>
    PH<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 12.06.2024 v 16:27 Jindrich Fucik
      napsal(a):<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:7XZ.23X7.qHTOmACGvx.1cQR1R@seznam.cz">
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      <div>Nějaká zajímavá hra, že by se kondenzátor při prvním měření
        nabil na nějaké stejnosměrné napětí a při druhém ho zase vracel?
        Třeba mezi měřeníma kondenzátor vyzkratovat?</div>
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      <aside>---------- Původní e-mail ----------<br>
        Od: Michal Grunt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"><michal.grunt@gmail.com></a><br>
        Komu: HW-news <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"><hw-list@list.hw.cz></a><br>
        Datum: 12. 6. 2024 15:52:51<br>
        Předmět: Re: Jak najít zkrat?</aside>
      <br>
      <blockquote data-email="michal.grunt@gmail.com">
        <div dir="auto">Tak jsem si to pořídil, sestavil a desku
          notebooku tím projel. Zajímavé je, že u pár kondenzátorů mi to
          ukazuje od cca 5 do 7 ohm. Ale když prohodim hroty tak to
          neukáže nic. Úplný zkrat "na obě strany" nějak nemohu najít.
          Jediné co jsem našel je tranzistor primo pod CPU s označením
          "t1A" a ten je ve zkratu mezi B a C a je ještě ještě otázka
          jak je zapojeny. Ale to, že kondenzátory (nektere) oproti zemi
          ukazují jednotky ohm a když prohodim hroty tak to neukazuje
          nic mě překvapilo.
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Když volný konec přiložim na zem a "tuzkou"
            měřím tak na jednom vývodu kondenzátoru namerim cca 0 a na
            druhém jednotky ohm.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Když hroty měřidla obrátím (tužku na zem a
            volným koncem merim) tak je na kondenzátoru na jednom vývodu
            0 a na druhém nenamerim nic.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Ale děje se tak jenom na určitých kouscích
            (hnizdech) kondenzátoru. Na opačném konci desky se tak
            neděje.</div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne út 4. 6. 2024 10:31
            uživatel Peter Berec <<a href="mailto:pberki@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pberki@gmail.com</a>>
            napsal:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div>
              <p>Konštrukcia z <font
                  face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE AR 03/2023:</font></p>
              <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
                    rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
              <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
                </font></p>
              <div>Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59 Michal Grunt napísal(a):<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote>
                <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v AR/PE
                  proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v šuplíku
                  postavit dá a asi to vyzkouším.
                  <div dir="auto">
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                        rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
                <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr" class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6.
                    2024 9:13 uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
                      href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
                      rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                    napsal:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to zajímavě.
                      Myslím, že mám už dost metod na vyhledávání tak je
                      postupně (od té nejdostupnější) vyzkouším. Děkuji.</div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne ne 2. 6.
                        2024 10:55 uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a
                          href="mailto:zdeko@seznam.cz"
                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">zdeko@seznam.cz</a>>
                        napsal:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div>
                          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                              "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR 03/2023
                              str 11 rozlišení 0,1mohmů v rozsahu
                              0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
                            </font></p>
                          <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt
                            napsal(a):<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote>
                            <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr" class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne
                                pá 31. 5. 2024 14:14 uživatel Nesvacil
                                Jiri <<a
                                  href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                                napsal:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div>
                                  <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš toto <a
href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                                    čím zkouším.</p>
                                  <p>Jirka</p>
                                  <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00 Michal
                                    Grunt napsal(a):<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš toto?
                                      Strana 5.
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                        class="-wm-gmail_attr">čt 30. 5.
                                        2024 v 13:37 odesílatel Michal
                                        Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                        napsal:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote
                                        class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                        <div dir="auto">Není to něco
                                          takového?
                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr"
                                            class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne
                                            čt 30. 5. 2024 7:55 uživatel
                                            Nesvacil Jiri <<a
href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>> napsal:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote
                                            class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div>
                                              <p>Na zjištění zkratu
                                                používám multivibrátor,
                                                někde v AR bylo schéma
                                                na vstupu to má ochranné
                                                diody tj. malé napětí,
                                                hlavně slyším vybíjení
                                                kondenzátorů či zkrat.
                                                Měřidlem si nedokáži
                                                úplně představit. Menší
                                                kapacity se tím poznají
                                                hůře či menší odpory,
                                                ale oproti měření
                                                ohmetrem.... . Někde
                                                vyšel taky c-beeper, ale
                                                tady zrovna nepoužívám a
                                                nevím zda tady by byl
                                                ideální.</p>
                                              <p>Jirka<br>
                                              </p>
                                              <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 7:10
                                                Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div dir="auto">Jaké
                                                  proudove omezeni máte
                                                  nastaveno? Děkuji.</div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div
class="-wm-gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr"
class="-wm-gmail_attr">Dne st 29. 5. 2024 22:04 uživatel Jan Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    napsal:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">Já
                                                      hledám tak, že tam
                                                      připojím třeba 1V
                                                      a měřím napětí v
                                                      jednotlivých
                                                      částech napájecí
                                                      sběrnice. Při
                                                      větším proudu ( je
                                                      třeba omezení I) 
                                                      <div>už je poznat
                                                        třeba prstem
                                                        nebo 
                                                        termokamerou,
                                                        který kond je ve
                                                        zkratu...</div>
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                                                      <div dir="ltr"
class="-wm-gmail_attr">st 29. 5. 2024 v 21:54 odesílatel Michal Grunt
                                                        <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        napsal:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
class="-wm-gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                        <div dir="auto">Mám
                                                          tu jeden
                                                          notebook,
                                                          který se chová
                                                          tak, že po
                                                          zmacknuti
                                                          tlacitka pro
                                                          zapnutí se na
                                                          1-5 vteřin
                                                          zapne a ihned
                                                          vypne. Po
                                                          vyzkoušení
                                                          takoveho toho
                                                          bezne
                                                          uzivatelsky
                                                          mozneho (jina
                                                          pamet atd.)
                                                          jsem vyndal
                                                          desku. Vypadá
                                                          to, že je ve
                                                          zkratu část za
                                                          menici napětí,
                                                          které napájí
                                                          CPU.
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                          že je na vine
                                                          nějaký z
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Desku jsem
                                                          prohlédl pod
                                                          mikroskopem a
                                                          žádnou
                                                          destrukci
                                                          něčeho jsem
                                                          nenašel. Ani
                                                          žádný náznak.
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                          pod CPU a část
                                                          kondenzátoru
                                                          za menici jsou
                                                          ve zkratu.
                                                          Před menici
                                                          jsou v pořádku
                                                          (mysleno tak,
                                                          ze napajeci
                                                          konektor ve
                                                          zkratu neni).
                                                          Na desce je
                                                          měničů více,
                                                          ale postižené
                                                          jsou ty v
                                                          uctite části
                                                          desky.
                                                          Dohromady asi
                                                          40
                                                          kondenzatoru
                                                          plus ty pod
                                                          CPU.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Jak
                                                          v nich najít
                                                          ten
                                                          problémový?
                                                          Osahat jsem to
                                                          DM v režimu
                                                          ohmetr a v
                                                          určitě části
                                                          jsem nameril
                                                          minimální
                                                          odpor. Ale i
                                                          tak jde o dost
                                                          kusů
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Pak tu mám
                                                          ještě tuto
                                                          konstrukci</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><a
href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3</a></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">která
                                                          meri miliohmy,
                                                          ale s tím jsem
                                                          toho take moc
                                                          nenašel nebo s
                                                          tím v tomto
                                                          režimu
                                                          neumí... Viděl
                                                          jsem videa jak
                                                          s tím autor
                                                          zkraty hledá
                                                          či blíže
                                                          lokalizuje,
                                                          ale nějak se
                                                          nedaří.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Snad
                                                          tam
                                                          "injektovat"
                                                          napětí
                                                          postupne na
                                                          ruzna mista a
                                                          měřit odběr?</div>
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