<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body>
    Tohle téma jsem nějakou dobu nesledoval.<br>
    <br>
    Od prodejce jsem se dostal na<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads">https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads</a><br>
    <br>
    A mám hloupý dotaz:<br>
    Proč je to tak složitý?<br>
    - Proč se tam vyrábí stabilizovanejch 3V3 spínaným zdrojem, když
    procesor zvládne celej rozsah 2 tužkovek?<br>
    - Proč se tam pro měřící proud používá další stabilizátor?<br>
    - Proč je tam externí ADC, když i nejlevnější STM má interní ADC?<br>
    <br>
    Ten operák budiž, ale jinak mi na orientační měření R přijdou 2
    stabilizátory zcela zbytečný. Prostě změřím Rx/Rref a je to.<br>
    <br>
    PH<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 10:31 Peter Berec
      napsal(a):<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8c1df6c0-8b81-48ba-8af3-7595e010a78e@gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <p>Konštrukcia z <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE AR
          03/2023:</font></p>
      <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
      <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
        </font></p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59 Michal Grunt
        napísal(a):<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACR8hZJjC=Os-qXkQE6kxfkhrES+XmvAzY_g-wGygc4k00pMrA@mail.gmail.com">
        <meta http-equiv="content-type"
          content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
        <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v AR/PE
          proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v šuplíku postavit dá a
          asi to vyzkouším.
          <div dir="auto">
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6. 2024 9:13
            uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
              href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
            napsal:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to zajímavě. Myslím,
              že mám už dost metod na vyhledávání tak je postupně (od té
              nejdostupnější) vyzkouším. Děkuji.</div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne ne 2. 6. 2024 10:55
                uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a href="mailto:zdeko@seznam.cz"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">zdeko@seznam.cz</a>>
                napsal:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div>
                  <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                      "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR 03/2023 str 11
                      rozlišení 0,1mohmů v rozsahu 0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                  <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
                    </font></p>
                  <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne pá 31. 5.
                        2024 14:14 uživatel Nesvacil Jiri <<a
                          href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                        napsal:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div>
                          <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš toto <a
                              href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
                              rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                            čím zkouším.</p>
                          <p>Jirka</p>
                          <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00 Michal Grunt
                            napsal(a):<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš toto? Strana 5.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">čt 30.
                                5. 2024 v 13:37 odesílatel Michal Grunt
                                <<a
                                  href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                napsal:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="auto">Není to něco takového?
                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne
                                    čt 30. 5. 2024 7:55 uživatel
                                    Nesvacil Jiri <<a
                                      href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                                    napsal:<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div>
                                      <p>Na zjištění zkratu používám
                                        multivibrátor, někde v AR bylo
                                        schéma na vstupu to má ochranné
                                        diody tj. malé napětí, hlavně
                                        slyším vybíjení kondenzátorů či
                                        zkrat. Měřidlem si nedokáži
                                        úplně představit. Menší kapacity
                                        se tím poznají hůře či menší
                                        odpory, ale oproti měření
                                        ohmetrem.... . Někde vyšel taky
                                        c-beeper, ale tady zrovna
                                        nepoužívám a nevím zda tady by
                                        byl ideální.</p>
                                      <p>Jirka<br>
                                      </p>
                                      <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 7:10 Michal
                                        Grunt napsal(a):<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite">
                                        <div dir="auto">Jaké proudove
                                          omezeni máte nastaveno?
                                          Děkuji.</div>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr"
                                            class="gmail_attr">Dne st
                                            29. 5. 2024 22:04 uživatel
                                            Jan Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>> napsal:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote
                                            class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div dir="ltr">Já hledám
                                              tak, že tam připojím třeba
                                              1V a měřím napětí v
                                              jednotlivých částech
                                              napájecí sběrnice. Při
                                              větším proudu ( je třeba
                                              omezení I) 
                                              <div>už je poznat třeba
                                                prstem nebo 
                                                termokamerou, který kond
                                                je ve zkratu...</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div
id="m_-2108181517949374487m_1688072955432965373m_-9080113161777530748m_-4867192474044427739m_-3512490688857473190m_-3540294172163703170DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
                                              <table
style="border-top:1px solid rgb(211,212,222)">
                                                <tbody>
                                                  <tr>
                                                    <td
style="width:55px;padding-top:13px"><a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><img
src="https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"
                                                          alt=""
style="width:46px;height:29px" moz-do-not-send="true" width="46"
                                                          height="29"></a></td>
                                                    <td
style="width:470px;padding-top:12px;color:rgb(65,66,78);font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:18px">Neobsahuje
                                                      žádné viry.<a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
style="color:rgb(68,83,234)"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.avast.com</a></td>
                                                  </tr>
                                                </tbody>
                                              </table>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                class="gmail_attr">st
                                                29. 5. 2024 v 21:54
                                                odesílatel Michal Grunt
                                                <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>> napsal:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote
                                                class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div dir="auto">Mám tu
                                                  jeden notebook, který
                                                  se chová tak, že po
                                                  zmacknuti tlacitka pro
                                                  zapnutí se na 1-5
                                                  vteřin zapne a ihned
                                                  vypne. Po vyzkoušení
                                                  takoveho toho bezne
                                                  uzivatelsky mozneho
                                                  (jina pamet atd.) jsem
                                                  vyndal desku. Vypadá
                                                  to, že je ve zkratu
                                                  část za menici napětí,
                                                  které napájí CPU.
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                    že je na vine nějaký
                                                    z kondenzátoru.
                                                    Desku jsem prohlédl
                                                    pod mikroskopem a
                                                    žádnou destrukci
                                                    něčeho jsem nenašel.
                                                    Ani žádný náznak.
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                      pod CPU a část
                                                      kondenzátoru za
                                                      menici jsou ve
                                                      zkratu. Před
                                                      menici jsou v
                                                      pořádku (mysleno
                                                      tak, ze napajeci
                                                      konektor ve zkratu
                                                      neni). Na desce je
                                                      měničů více, ale
                                                      postižené jsou ty
                                                      v uctite části
                                                      desky. Dohromady
                                                      asi 40
                                                      kondenzatoru plus
                                                      ty pod CPU.</div>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto">Jak
                                                      v nich najít ten
                                                      problémový? Osahat
                                                      jsem to DM v
                                                      režimu ohmetr a v
                                                      určitě části jsem
                                                      nameril minimální
                                                      odpor. Ale i tak
                                                      jde o dost kusů
                                                      kondenzátoru. Pak
                                                      tu mám ještě tuto
                                                      konstrukci</div>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><a
href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3</a></div>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto">která
                                                      meri miliohmy, ale
                                                      s tím jsem toho
                                                      take moc nenašel
                                                      nebo s tím v tomto
                                                      režimu neumí...
                                                      Viděl jsem videa
                                                      jak s tím autor
                                                      zkraty hledá či
                                                      blíže lokalizuje,
                                                      ale nějak se
                                                      nedaří.</div>
                                                    <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="auto">Snad
                                                      tam "injektovat"
                                                      napětí postupne na
                                                      ruzna mista a
                                                      měřit odběr?</div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
  </body>
</html>