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    <p>Skoro konstantním proudem bych nahradil to R6, prostě zrcadlo ze
      dvou tranzistorů, lepší než odpor a napájení přímo z ACU bude více
      nezávislé.</p>
    <p>K ochraně. Na vstupu je dělič 1R/1000R nebo druhý vstup OZ
      3R/1000R. Pokud tam půjde 230, tak to OZ přes dělič by měl
      přežít.  Např. 230AC nebo 331VDC x 3/1000=0.993V. To by OZ měl
      dát.  Nějaké ESD např. 8kV .. je přes dělič tj. 8x2/1000=16V tam
      možná, pokud tam již není nějaká ochrana v OZ nebo nějaká
      parazitní kapacita.... Samozřejmě ochranou tj. 2x dioda asi zde
      neurazíš.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Jirka<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 17:08 Pavel Hudeček
      napsal(a):<br>
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      No já bych akorát zvýšil R6, místo U1 dal P-MOSFET na zapínání
      děliče. Proudový zrcadlo netuším k čemu by mi bylo.<br>
      <br>
      Čili ano, jako to má p. Sukuba.<br>
      <br>
      A ještě jinej ADC, kterej umožňuje referenci z Vdd. Nejjednodušejc
      tedy bez interní ref, bude i levnější. Nakonec by vyšlo líp
      přepínat zesílení a použít interní ADC z MCU.<br>
      <br>
      Kde bych naopak přidával je ochrana vstupu, aby se nedal snadno
      odpálit.<br>
      <br>
      PH<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 16:40 Nesvacil Jiri
        napsal(a):<br>
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        <p>Jeden stabilizátor 1.8V ušetříte zjednodušením a větší
          nepřesností, nebo tam dáte dva tranzistory jako proudové
          zrcadlo a bude levnější, větší, dostupnější.</p>
        <p>S tím, že zde nebude stabilních 3.3V si tak jist nejsem od
          OZ, ADC, OLED. MCU možná. Nevím co bude dělat to chvilku 60mA
          z baterií a chvilku ne, jak se to celé bude chovat, pokud tam
          nebude stabilizátor. I to pískle pojede jinak.<br>
        </p>
        <p>Jinak to asi myslíte takto:<br>
        </p>
        <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty</a><br>
        </p>
        <p>Jirka<br>
        </p>
        <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty</a><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:37 Pavel
          Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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          Ze 3V udělá 3,3, z toho pak lineárním stablíkem 1,8 a pak to
          pustí do děliče s malým R.<br>
          <br>
          Když bude dělič se stejným proudem, navržený na 3, můžou se
          oba stablíky vynechat a ještě to bude žrát o 10 % míň.<br>
          <br>
          R6+R7 použiju jako referenci, změřím po zapnutí hodnotu. Při
          poklesu spočítám jaký R je paralelně.<br>
          <br>
          PH<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:18 Nesvacil
            Jiri napsal(a):<br>
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            <p>Pokud chci dělat měření při nízkém napětí, kde se
              eliminují diody a nechci zničit nějaké IO, tak musím nějak
              udělat. Zde měří paralelně k odporu 2R, proudu cca 60mA,
              proto zde má stabilizátor 1.8V. Úbytek na tom 2R je malý,
              tak má nízkošumový OZ od 0V.<br>
            </p>
            <p>To jsou parametry toho měření. Kalibruje to odpory 1R,
              2R. Funguje to i se zvukem.</p>
            <p>Mohl bych říci, že budu měřit paralelně k odporu 20R,
              řádově menším proudem. Jenže k těm 20R pokud přičtu 1R,
              tak to budu hůře měřit přes ADC asi tam bude větší
              nepřesnost.</p>
            <p>Jirka<br>
            </p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:04 Pavel
              Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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              Možná mi něco uniká, ale když na fotce vidím, jak je na
              displeji 3,5 Ω, tak to žádný precizní měřák není. Napájení
              z baterek, takže vyhlazení dokonalé.<br>
              <br>
              V podstatě se dá říct, že na měření odporu jsou potřeba
              buď dva přesné zdroje U nebo I, jako je to tady, nebo
              jeden referenční R napájený ze stejného zdroje jako R
              měřený.<br>
              <br>
              Ten ADC teda budiž, jestli to má měřit 0,1 mΩ - 3,5 Ω, tak
              se víc než 12b hodí.<br>
              <br>
              PH<br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 14:14
                Jaroslav Buchta napsal(a):<br>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tak je to udelane docela
                  precizne, 3V3 bude stabilni, merici proud presny a
                  vyhlazeny, navic by tam stejne musel byt nejaky spinac
                  a prevodnik je 18 bit sigma delta, asi o parnik lepsi
                  nez ten v procesoru co se pouziva na mereni baterky...</div>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 13:26
                  Pavel Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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                  Tohle téma jsem nějakou dobu nesledoval.<br>
                  <br>
                  Od prodejce jsem se dostal na<br>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads"
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                  A mám hloupý dotaz:<br>
                  Proč je to tak složitý?<br>
                  - Proč se tam vyrábí stabilizovanejch 3V3 spínaným
                  zdrojem, když procesor zvládne celej rozsah 2
                  tužkovek?<br>
                  - Proč se tam pro měřící proud používá další
                  stabilizátor?<br>
                  - Proč je tam externí ADC, když i nejlevnější STM má
                  interní ADC?<br>
                  <br>
                  Ten operák budiž, ale jinak mi na orientační měření R
                  přijdou 2 stabilizátory zcela zbytečný. Prostě změřím
                  Rx/Rref a je to.<br>
                  <br>
                  PH<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 10:31
                    Peter Berec napsal(a):<br>
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                    <p>Konštrukcia z <font
                        face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE AR
                        03/2023:</font></p>
                    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
                    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
                      </font></p>
                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59
                      Michal Grunt napísal(a):<br>
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cite="mid:CACR8hZJjC=Os-qXkQE6kxfkhrES+XmvAzY_g-wGygc4k00pMrA@mail.gmail.com">
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                      <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v
                        AR/PE proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v
                        šuplíku postavit dá a asi to vyzkouším.
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                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6.
                          2024 9:13 uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
                            href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
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                          napsal:<br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to
                            zajímavě. Myslím, že mám už dost metod na
                            vyhledávání tak je postupně (od té
                            nejdostupnější) vyzkouším. Děkuji.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne ne 2.
                              6. 2024 10:55 uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a
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                              napsal:<br>
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                                <p><font
                                    face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                                    "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR
                                    03/2023 str 11 rozlišení 0,1mohmů v
                                    rozsahu 0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                                <p><font
                                    face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
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                                <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt
                                  napsal(a):<br>
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                                  <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne
                                      pá 31. 5. 2024 14:14 uživatel
                                      Nesvacil Jiri <<a
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                                      napsal:<br>
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                                        <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš
                                          toto <a
href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                                          čím zkouším.</p>
                                        <p>Jirka</p>
                                        <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00
                                          Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš
                                            toto? Strana 5.
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr"
                                              class="gmail_attr">čt 30.
                                              5. 2024 v 13:37 odesílatel
                                              Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>> napsal:<br>
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                                              <div dir="auto">Není to
                                                něco takového?
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
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                                                <div dir="ltr"
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                                                  čt 30. 5. 2024 7:55
                                                  uživatel Nesvacil Jiri
                                                  <<a
href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                                                  napsal:<br>
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                                                    <p>Na zjištění
                                                      zkratu používám
                                                      multivibrátor,
                                                      někde v AR bylo
                                                      schéma na vstupu
                                                      to má ochranné
                                                      diody tj. malé
                                                      napětí, hlavně
                                                      slyším vybíjení
                                                      kondenzátorů či
                                                      zkrat. Měřidlem si
                                                      nedokáži úplně
                                                      představit. Menší
                                                      kapacity se tím
                                                      poznají hůře či
                                                      menší odpory, ale
                                                      oproti měření
                                                      ohmetrem.... .
                                                      Někde vyšel taky
                                                      c-beeper, ale tady
                                                      zrovna nepoužívám
                                                      a nevím zda tady
                                                      by byl ideální.</p>
                                                    <p>Jirka<br>
                                                    </p>
                                                    <div>Dne 30.05.2024
                                                      v 7:10 Michal
                                                      Grunt napsal(a):<br>
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                                                      <div dir="auto">Jaké
                                                        proudove omezeni
                                                        máte nastaveno?
                                                        Děkuji.</div>
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                                                        <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">Dne st 29. 5. 2024 22:04 uživatel Jan Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          napsal:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Já
                                                          hledám tak, že
                                                          tam připojím
                                                          třeba 1V a
                                                          měřím napětí v
                                                          jednotlivých
                                                          částech
                                                          napájecí
                                                          sběrnice. Při
                                                          větším proudu
                                                          ( je třeba
                                                          omezení I) 
                                                          <div>už je
                                                          poznat třeba
                                                          prstem nebo 
                                                          termokamerou,
                                                          který kond je
                                                          ve zkratu...</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">st 29. 5. 2024 v 21:54 odesílatel Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Mám
                                                          tu jeden
                                                          notebook,
                                                          který se chová
                                                          tak, že po
                                                          zmacknuti
                                                          tlacitka pro
                                                          zapnutí se na
                                                          1-5 vteřin
                                                          zapne a ihned
                                                          vypne. Po
                                                          vyzkoušení
                                                          takoveho toho
                                                          bezne
                                                          uzivatelsky
                                                          mozneho (jina
                                                          pamet atd.)
                                                          jsem vyndal
                                                          desku. Vypadá
                                                          to, že je ve
                                                          zkratu část za
                                                          menici napětí,
                                                          které napájí
                                                          CPU.
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                          že je na vine
                                                          nějaký z
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Desku jsem
                                                          prohlédl pod
                                                          mikroskopem a
                                                          žádnou
                                                          destrukci
                                                          něčeho jsem
                                                          nenašel. Ani
                                                          žádný náznak.
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                          pod CPU a část
                                                          kondenzátoru
                                                          za menici jsou
                                                          ve zkratu.
                                                          Před menici
                                                          jsou v pořádku
                                                          (mysleno tak,
                                                          ze napajeci
                                                          konektor ve
                                                          zkratu neni).
                                                          Na desce je
                                                          měničů více,
                                                          ale postižené
                                                          jsou ty v
                                                          uctite části
                                                          desky.
                                                          Dohromady asi
                                                          40
                                                          kondenzatoru
                                                          plus ty pod
                                                          CPU.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Jak
                                                          v nich najít
                                                          ten
                                                          problémový?
                                                          Osahat jsem to
                                                          DM v režimu
                                                          ohmetr a v
                                                          určitě části
                                                          jsem nameril
                                                          minimální
                                                          odpor. Ale i
                                                          tak jde o dost
                                                          kusů
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Pak tu mám
                                                          ještě tuto
                                                          konstrukci</div>
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                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><a
href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3</a></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">která
                                                          meri miliohmy,
                                                          ale s tím jsem
                                                          toho take moc
                                                          nenašel nebo s
                                                          tím v tomto
                                                          režimu
                                                          neumí... Viděl
                                                          jsem videa jak
                                                          s tím autor
                                                          zkraty hledá
                                                          či blíže
                                                          lokalizuje,
                                                          ale nějak se
                                                          nedaří.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Snad
                                                          tam
                                                          "injektovat"
                                                          napětí
                                                          postupne na
                                                          ruzna mista a
                                                          měřit odběr?</div>
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