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    <p>Jeden stabilizátor 1.8V ušetříte zjednodušením a větší
      nepřesností, nebo tam dáte dva tranzistory jako proudové zrcadlo a
      bude levnější, větší, dostupnější.</p>
    <p>S tím, že zde nebude stabilních 3.3V si tak jist nejsem od OZ,
      ADC, OLED. MCU možná. Nevím co bude dělat to chvilku 60mA z
      baterií a chvilku ne, jak se to celé bude chovat, pokud tam nebude
      stabilizátor. I to pískle pojede jinak.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Jinak to asi myslíte takto:<br>
    </p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty">https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty</a><br>
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    <p>Jirka<br>
    </p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty">https://sites.google.com/view/pater/pomucky/shorty</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:37 Pavel Hudeček
      napsal(a):<br>
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      Ze 3V udělá 3,3, z toho pak lineárním stablíkem 1,8 a pak to pustí
      do děliče s malým R.<br>
      <br>
      Když bude dělič se stejným proudem, navržený na 3, můžou se oba
      stablíky vynechat a ještě to bude žrát o 10 % míň.<br>
      <br>
      R6+R7 použiju jako referenci, změřím po zapnutí hodnotu. Při
      poklesu spočítám jaký R je paralelně.<br>
      <br>
      PH<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:18 Nesvacil Jiri
        napsal(a):<br>
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        <p>Pokud chci dělat měření při nízkém napětí, kde se eliminují
          diody a nechci zničit nějaké IO, tak musím nějak udělat. Zde
          měří paralelně k odporu 2R, proudu cca 60mA, proto zde má
          stabilizátor 1.8V. Úbytek na tom 2R je malý, tak má
          nízkošumový OZ od 0V.<br>
        </p>
        <p>To jsou parametry toho měření. Kalibruje to odpory 1R, 2R.
          Funguje to i se zvukem.</p>
        <p>Mohl bych říci, že budu měřit paralelně k odporu 20R, řádově
          menším proudem. Jenže k těm 20R pokud přičtu 1R, tak to budu
          hůře měřit přes ADC asi tam bude větší nepřesnost.</p>
        <p>Jirka<br>
        </p>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:04 Pavel
          Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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          Možná mi něco uniká, ale když na fotce vidím, jak je na
          displeji 3,5 Ω, tak to žádný precizní měřák není. Napájení z
          baterek, takže vyhlazení dokonalé.<br>
          <br>
          V podstatě se dá říct, že na měření odporu jsou potřeba buď
          dva přesné zdroje U nebo I, jako je to tady, nebo jeden
          referenční R napájený ze stejného zdroje jako R měřený.<br>
          <br>
          Ten ADC teda budiž, jestli to má měřit 0,1 mΩ - 3,5 Ω, tak se
          víc než 12b hodí.<br>
          <br>
          PH<br>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 14:14 Jaroslav
            Buchta napsal(a):<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tak je to udelane docela
              precizne, 3V3 bude stabilni, merici proud presny a
              vyhlazeny, navic by tam stejne musel byt nejaky spinac a
              prevodnik je 18 bit sigma delta, asi o parnik lepsi nez
              ten v procesoru co se pouziva na mereni baterky...</div>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 13:26 Pavel
              Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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              Tohle téma jsem nějakou dobu nesledoval.<br>
              <br>
              Od prodejce jsem se dostal na<br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads</a><br>
              <br>
              A mám hloupý dotaz:<br>
              Proč je to tak složitý?<br>
              - Proč se tam vyrábí stabilizovanejch 3V3 spínaným
              zdrojem, když procesor zvládne celej rozsah 2 tužkovek?<br>
              - Proč se tam pro měřící proud používá další stabilizátor?<br>
              - Proč je tam externí ADC, když i nejlevnější STM má
              interní ADC?<br>
              <br>
              Ten operák budiž, ale jinak mi na orientační měření R
              přijdou 2 stabilizátory zcela zbytečný. Prostě změřím
              Rx/Rref a je to.<br>
              <br>
              PH<br>
              <br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 10:31 Peter
                Berec napsal(a):<br>
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cite="mid:8c1df6c0-8b81-48ba-8af3-7595e010a78e@gmail.com">
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                <p>Konštrukcia z <font
                    face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE AR 03/2023:</font></p>
                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
                  </font></p>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59
                  Michal Grunt napísal(a):<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v
                    AR/PE proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v
                    šuplíku postavit dá a asi to vyzkouším.
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                      <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6. 2024
                      9:13 uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
                        href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                      napsal:<br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to zajímavě.
                        Myslím, že mám už dost metod na vyhledávání tak
                        je postupně (od té nejdostupnější) vyzkouším.
                        Děkuji.</div>
                      <br>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne ne 2. 6.
                          2024 10:55 uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a
                            href="mailto:zdeko@seznam.cz"
                            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">zdeko@seznam.cz</a>>
                          napsal:<br>
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                            <p><font
                                face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                                "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR
                                03/2023 str 11 rozlišení 0,1mohmů v
                                rozsahu 0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                            <p><font
                                face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
                              </font></p>
                            <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt
                              napsal(a):<br>
                            </div>
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                              <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
                              <br>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne pá
                                  31. 5. 2024 14:14 uživatel Nesvacil
                                  Jiri <<a
                                    href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
                                    rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                                  napsal:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div>
                                    <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš toto <a
href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                                      čím zkouším.</p>
                                    <p>Jirka</p>
                                    <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00 Michal
                                      Grunt napsal(a):<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš toto?
                                        Strana 5.
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
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                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                          class="gmail_attr">čt 30. 5.
                                          2024 v 13:37 odesílatel Michal
                                          Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>> napsal:<br>
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                                          <div dir="auto">Není to něco
                                            takového?
                                            <div dir="auto"><br>
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                                            <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                            <div dir="auto"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
                                            <div dir="auto"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
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                                              class="gmail_attr">Dne čt
                                              30. 5. 2024 7:55 uživatel
                                              Nesvacil Jiri <<a
href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>> napsal:<br>
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                                                <p>Na zjištění zkratu
                                                  používám
                                                  multivibrátor, někde v
                                                  AR bylo schéma na
                                                  vstupu to má ochranné
                                                  diody tj. malé napětí,
                                                  hlavně slyším vybíjení
                                                  kondenzátorů či zkrat.
                                                  Měřidlem si nedokáži
                                                  úplně představit.
                                                  Menší kapacity se tím
                                                  poznají hůře či menší
                                                  odpory, ale oproti
                                                  měření ohmetrem.... .
                                                  Někde vyšel taky
                                                  c-beeper, ale tady
                                                  zrovna nepoužívám a
                                                  nevím zda tady by byl
                                                  ideální.</p>
                                                <p>Jirka<br>
                                                </p>
                                                <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v
                                                  7:10 Michal Grunt
                                                  napsal(a):<br>
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                                                  <div dir="auto">Jaké
                                                    proudove omezeni
                                                    máte nastaveno?
                                                    Děkuji.</div>
                                                  <br>
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                                                      class="gmail_attr">Dne
                                                      st 29. 5. 2024
                                                      22:04 uživatel Jan
                                                      Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      napsal:<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                      <div dir="ltr">Já
                                                        hledám tak, že
                                                        tam připojím
                                                        třeba 1V a měřím
                                                        napětí v
                                                        jednotlivých
                                                        částech napájecí
                                                        sběrnice. Při
                                                        větším proudu (
                                                        je třeba omezení
                                                        I) 
                                                        <div>už je
                                                          poznat třeba
                                                          prstem nebo 
                                                          termokamerou,
                                                          který kond je
                                                          ve zkratu...</div>
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                                                        <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">st 29. 5. 2024 v 21:54 odesílatel Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          napsal:<br>
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                                                          <div
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                                                          tu jeden
                                                          notebook,
                                                          který se chová
                                                          tak, že po
                                                          zmacknuti
                                                          tlacitka pro
                                                          zapnutí se na
                                                          1-5 vteřin
                                                          zapne a ihned
                                                          vypne. Po
                                                          vyzkoušení
                                                          takoveho toho
                                                          bezne
                                                          uzivatelsky
                                                          mozneho (jina
                                                          pamet atd.)
                                                          jsem vyndal
                                                          desku. Vypadá
                                                          to, že je ve
                                                          zkratu část za
                                                          menici napětí,
                                                          které napájí
                                                          CPU.
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                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                          že je na vine
                                                          nějaký z
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Desku jsem
                                                          prohlédl pod
                                                          mikroskopem a
                                                          žádnou
                                                          destrukci
                                                          něčeho jsem
                                                          nenašel. Ani
                                                          žádný náznak.
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                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                          pod CPU a část
                                                          kondenzátoru
                                                          za menici jsou
                                                          ve zkratu.
                                                          Před menici
                                                          jsou v pořádku
                                                          (mysleno tak,
                                                          ze napajeci
                                                          konektor ve
                                                          zkratu neni).
                                                          Na desce je
                                                          měničů více,
                                                          ale postižené
                                                          jsou ty v
                                                          uctite části
                                                          desky.
                                                          Dohromady asi
                                                          40
                                                          kondenzatoru
                                                          plus ty pod
                                                          CPU.</div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Jak
                                                          v nich najít
                                                          ten
                                                          problémový?
                                                          Osahat jsem to
                                                          DM v režimu
                                                          ohmetr a v
                                                          určitě části
                                                          jsem nameril
                                                          minimální
                                                          odpor. Ale i
                                                          tak jde o dost
                                                          kusů
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Pak tu mám
                                                          ještě tuto
                                                          konstrukci</div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><a
href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3</a></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">která
                                                          meri miliohmy,
                                                          ale s tím jsem
                                                          toho take moc
                                                          nenašel nebo s
                                                          tím v tomto
                                                          režimu
                                                          neumí... Viděl
                                                          jsem videa jak
                                                          s tím autor
                                                          zkraty hledá
                                                          či blíže
                                                          lokalizuje,
                                                          ale nějak se
                                                          nedaří.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Snad
                                                          tam
                                                          "injektovat"
                                                          napětí
                                                          postupne na
                                                          ruzna mista a
                                                          měřit odběr?</div>
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