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    Možná mi něco uniká, ale když na fotce vidím, jak je na displeji 3,5
    Ω, tak to žádný precizní měřák není. Napájení z baterek, takže
    vyhlazení dokonalé.<br>
    <br>
    V podstatě se dá říct, že na měření odporu jsou potřeba buď dva
    přesné zdroje U nebo I, jako je to tady, nebo jeden referenční R
    napájený ze stejného zdroje jako R měřený.<br>
    <br>
    Ten ADC teda budiž, jestli to má měřit 0,1 mΩ - 3,5 Ω, tak se víc
    než 12b hodí.<br>
    <br>
    PH<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 14:14 Jaroslav Buchta
      napsal(a):<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tak je to udelane docela precizne,
        3V3 bude stabilni, merici proud presny a vyhlazeny, navic by tam
        stejne musel byt nejaky spinac a prevodnik je 18 bit sigma
        delta, asi o parnik lepsi nez ten v procesoru co se pouziva na
        mereni baterky...</div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 13:26 Pavel Hudeček
        napsal(a):<br>
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        Tohle téma jsem nějakou dobu nesledoval.<br>
        <br>
        Od prodejce jsem se dostal na<br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads</a><br>
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        A mám hloupý dotaz:<br>
        Proč je to tak složitý?<br>
        - Proč se tam vyrábí stabilizovanejch 3V3 spínaným zdrojem, když
        procesor zvládne celej rozsah 2 tužkovek?<br>
        - Proč se tam pro měřící proud používá další stabilizátor?<br>
        - Proč je tam externí ADC, když i nejlevnější STM má interní
        ADC?<br>
        <br>
        Ten operák budiž, ale jinak mi na orientační měření R přijdou 2
        stabilizátory zcela zbytečný. Prostě změřím Rx/Rref a je to.<br>
        <br>
        PH<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 10:31 Peter Berec
          napsal(a):<br>
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          cite="mid:8c1df6c0-8b81-48ba-8af3-7595e010a78e@gmail.com">
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          <p>Konštrukcia z <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE
              AR 03/2023:</font></p>
          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
          <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
            </font></p>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59 Michal
            Grunt napísal(a):<br>
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cite="mid:CACR8hZJjC=Os-qXkQE6kxfkhrES+XmvAzY_g-wGygc4k00pMrA@mail.gmail.com">
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            <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v AR/PE
              proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v šuplíku postavit
              dá a asi to vyzkouším.
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                <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6. 2024 9:13
                uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
                  href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                napsal:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to zajímavě.
                  Myslím, že mám už dost metod na vyhledávání tak je
                  postupně (od té nejdostupnější) vyzkouším. Děkuji.</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne ne 2. 6. 2024
                    10:55 uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a
                      href="mailto:zdeko@seznam.cz" target="_blank"
                      rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">zdeko@seznam.cz</a>>
                    napsal:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                      <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                          "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR 03/2023 str
                          11 rozlišení 0,1mohmů v rozsahu 0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                      <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
                        </font></p>
                      <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
                        <br>
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                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne pá 31.
                            5. 2024 14:14 uživatel Nesvacil Jiri <<a
                              href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
                              rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                            napsal:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            <div>
                              <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš toto <a
href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
                                  rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                                čím zkouším.</p>
                              <p>Jirka</p>
                              <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00 Michal Grunt
                                napsal(a):<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš toto? Strana
                                  5.
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">čt
                                    30. 5. 2024 v 13:37 odesílatel
                                    Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                    napsal:<br>
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                                    <div dir="auto">Není to něco
                                      takového?
                                      <div dir="auto"><br>
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                                      <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                      <div dir="auto"><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
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                                      </div>
                                      <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne
                                        čt 30. 5. 2024 7:55 uživatel
                                        Nesvacil Jiri <<a
href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                                        napsal:<br>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div>
                                          <p>Na zjištění zkratu používám
                                            multivibrátor, někde v AR
                                            bylo schéma na vstupu to má
                                            ochranné diody tj. malé
                                            napětí, hlavně slyším
                                            vybíjení kondenzátorů či
                                            zkrat. Měřidlem si nedokáži
                                            úplně představit. Menší
                                            kapacity se tím poznají hůře
                                            či menší odpory, ale oproti
                                            měření ohmetrem.... . Někde
                                            vyšel taky c-beeper, ale
                                            tady zrovna nepoužívám a
                                            nevím zda tady by byl
                                            ideální.</p>
                                          <p>Jirka<br>
                                          </p>
                                          <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 7:10
                                            Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
                                          </div>
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                                            <div dir="auto">Jaké
                                              proudove omezeni máte
                                              nastaveno? Děkuji.</div>
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                                                class="gmail_attr">Dne
                                                st 29. 5. 2024 22:04
                                                uživatel Jan Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>> napsal:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">Já hledám
                                                  tak, že tam připojím
                                                  třeba 1V a měřím
                                                  napětí v jednotlivých
                                                  částech napájecí
                                                  sběrnice. Při větším
                                                  proudu ( je třeba
                                                  omezení I) 
                                                  <div>už je poznat
                                                    třeba prstem nebo 
                                                    termokamerou, který
                                                    kond je ve zkratu...</div>
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                                                    29. 5. 2024 v 21:54
                                                    odesílatel Michal
                                                    Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    napsal:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="auto">Mám
                                                      tu jeden notebook,
                                                      který se chová
                                                      tak, že po
                                                      zmacknuti tlacitka
                                                      pro zapnutí se na
                                                      1-5 vteřin zapne a
                                                      ihned vypne. Po
                                                      vyzkoušení
                                                      takoveho toho
                                                      bezne uzivatelsky
                                                      mozneho (jina
                                                      pamet atd.) jsem
                                                      vyndal desku.
                                                      Vypadá to, že je
                                                      ve zkratu část za
                                                      menici napětí,
                                                      které napájí CPU.
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                                                      <div dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                        že je na vine
                                                        nějaký z
                                                        kondenzátoru.
                                                        Desku jsem
                                                        prohlédl pod
                                                        mikroskopem a
                                                        žádnou destrukci
                                                        něčeho jsem
                                                        nenašel. Ani
                                                        žádný náznak.
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                          pod CPU a část
                                                          kondenzátoru
                                                          za menici jsou
                                                          ve zkratu.
                                                          Před menici
                                                          jsou v pořádku
                                                          (mysleno tak,
                                                          ze napajeci
                                                          konektor ve
                                                          zkratu neni).
                                                          Na desce je
                                                          měničů více,
                                                          ale postižené
                                                          jsou ty v
                                                          uctite části
                                                          desky.
                                                          Dohromady asi
                                                          40
                                                          kondenzatoru
                                                          plus ty pod
                                                          CPU.</div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto">Jak
                                                          v nich najít
                                                          ten
                                                          problémový?
                                                          Osahat jsem to
                                                          DM v režimu
                                                          ohmetr a v
                                                          určitě části
                                                          jsem nameril
                                                          minimální
                                                          odpor. Ale i
                                                          tak jde o dost
                                                          kusů
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Pak tu mám
                                                          ještě tuto
                                                          konstrukci</div>
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                                                        <div dir="auto"><a
href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3</a></div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto">která
                                                          meri miliohmy,
                                                          ale s tím jsem
                                                          toho take moc
                                                          nenašel nebo s
                                                          tím v tomto
                                                          režimu
                                                          neumí... Viděl
                                                          jsem videa jak
                                                          s tím autor
                                                          zkraty hledá
                                                          či blíže
                                                          lokalizuje,
                                                          ale nějak se
                                                          nedaří.</div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto">Snad
                                                          tam
                                                          "injektovat"
                                                          napětí
                                                          postupne na
                                                          ruzna mista a
                                                          měřit odběr?</div>
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