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    <p>Pokud chci dělat měření při nízkém napětí, kde se eliminují diody
      a nechci zničit nějaké IO, tak musím nějak udělat. Zde měří
      paralelně k odporu 2R, proudu cca 60mA, proto zde má stabilizátor
      1.8V. Úbytek na tom 2R je malý, tak má nízkošumový OZ od 0V.<br>
    </p>
    <p>To jsou parametry toho měření. Kalibruje to odpory 1R, 2R.
      Funguje to i se zvukem.</p>
    <p>Mohl bych říci, že budu měřit paralelně k odporu 20R, řádově
      menším proudem. Jenže k těm 20R pokud přičtu 1R, tak to budu hůře
      měřit přes ADC asi tam bude větší nepřesnost.</p>
    <p>Jirka<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 15:04 Pavel Hudeček
      napsal(a):<br>
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      Možná mi něco uniká, ale když na fotce vidím, jak je na displeji
      3,5 Ω, tak to žádný precizní měřák není. Napájení z baterek, takže
      vyhlazení dokonalé.<br>
      <br>
      V podstatě se dá říct, že na měření odporu jsou potřeba buď dva
      přesné zdroje U nebo I, jako je to tady, nebo jeden referenční R
      napájený ze stejného zdroje jako R měřený.<br>
      <br>
      Ten ADC teda budiž, jestli to má měřit 0,1 mΩ - 3,5 Ω, tak se víc
      než 12b hodí.<br>
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      PH<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 14:14 Jaroslav
        Buchta napsal(a):<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tak je to udelane docela precizne,
          3V3 bude stabilni, merici proud presny a vyhlazeny, navic by
          tam stejne musel byt nejaky spinac a prevodnik je 18 bit sigma
          delta, asi o parnik lepsi nez ten v procesoru co se pouziva na
          mereni baterky...</div>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 13:26 Pavel
          Hudeček napsal(a):<br>
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          Tohle téma jsem nějakou dobu nesledoval.<br>
          <br>
          Od prodejce jsem se dostal na<br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitlab.com/jdobry/shortypen/-/blob/main/Schematics/Schematic_shortyPen.pdf?ref_type=heads"
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          A mám hloupý dotaz:<br>
          Proč je to tak složitý?<br>
          - Proč se tam vyrábí stabilizovanejch 3V3 spínaným zdrojem,
          když procesor zvládne celej rozsah 2 tužkovek?<br>
          - Proč se tam pro měřící proud používá další stabilizátor?<br>
          - Proč je tam externí ADC, když i nejlevnější STM má interní
          ADC?<br>
          <br>
          Ten operák budiž, ale jinak mi na orientační měření R přijdou
          2 stabilizátory zcela zbytečný. Prostě změřím Rx/Rref a je to.<br>
          <br>
          PH<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 04.06.2024 v 10:31 Peter
            Berec napsal(a):<br>
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            <p>Konštrukcia z <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">PE
                AR 03/2023:</font></p>
            <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><a
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laskakit.cz/stavebnice-vyhledavace-zkratu/</a></font></p>
            <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Peter<br>
              </font></p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 3. 6. 2024 o 11:59 Michal
              Grunt napísal(a):<br>
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              <div dir="auto">Ještě jsem se postupně ze článku v AR/PE
                proklikal sem. To už se z toho co mam v šuplíku postavit
                dá a asi to vyzkouším.
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                  <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/finding-short-on-motherboards-with-a-shorty-(with-display)/</a></div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne po 3. 6. 2024 9:13
                  uživatel Michal Grunt <<a
                    href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                  napsal:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Děkuji za tip. Vypadá to zajímavě.
                    Myslím, že mám už dost metod na vyhledávání tak je
                    postupně (od té nejdostupnější) vyzkouším. Děkuji.</div>
                  <br>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne ne 2. 6. 2024
                      10:55 uživatel Z.Kobylka <<a
                        href="mailto:zdeko@seznam.cz" target="_blank"
                        rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">zdeko@seznam.cz</a>>
                      napsal:<br>
                    </div>
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                        <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Co
                            "Kkapesní vyhledávač zkratu" PE AR 03/2023
                            str 11 rozlišení 0,1mohmů v rozsahu
                            0-3,5Ohmů</font></p>
                        <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kobylka<br>
                          </font></p>
                        <div>Dne 01.06.2024 v 8:31 Michal Grunt
                          napsal(a):<br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Děkuji, vyzkouším.</div>
                          <br>
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Dne pá 31.
                              5. 2024 14:14 uživatel Nesvacil Jiri <<a
                                href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu"
                                rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>>
                              napsal:<br>
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                                <p>Díval jsem se a je to spíš toto <a
href="http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.belza.cz/simple/pisk.htm</a>
                                  čím zkouším.</p>
                                <p>Jirka</p>
                                <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 14:00 Michal Grunt
                                  napsal(a):<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Možná spíš toto? Strana
                                    5.
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><a
href="https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ok1khl.com/storage/mladez/Soubor_stavebnich_navodu_pro_krouzky.pdf</a><br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">čt
                                      30. 5. 2024 v 13:37 odesílatel
                                      Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                      napsal:<br>
                                    </div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div dir="auto">Není to něco
                                        takového?
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.high-voltage-lab.com/202/continuity-tester</a></div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Nebo</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.eeweb.com/continuity-tester-circuit-diagram/</a></div>
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                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                          class="gmail_attr">Dne čt 30.
                                          5. 2024 7:55 uživatel Nesvacil
                                          Jiri <<a
href="mailto:nesvacil@posys.eu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nesvacil@posys.eu</a>> napsal:<br>
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                                            <p>Na zjištění zkratu
                                              používám multivibrátor,
                                              někde v AR bylo schéma na
                                              vstupu to má ochranné
                                              diody tj. malé napětí,
                                              hlavně slyším vybíjení
                                              kondenzátorů či zkrat.
                                              Měřidlem si nedokáži úplně
                                              představit. Menší kapacity
                                              se tím poznají hůře či
                                              menší odpory, ale oproti
                                              měření ohmetrem.... .
                                              Někde vyšel taky c-beeper,
                                              ale tady zrovna nepoužívám
                                              a nevím zda tady by byl
                                              ideální.</p>
                                            <p>Jirka<br>
                                            </p>
                                            <div>Dne 30.05.2024 v 7:10
                                              Michal Grunt napsal(a):<br>
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                                              <div dir="auto">Jaké
                                                proudove omezeni máte
                                                nastaveno? Děkuji.</div>
                                              <br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr"
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                                                  st 29. 5. 2024 22:04
                                                  uživatel Jan Kuba <<a
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">honza.kuba@gmail.com</a>>
                                                  napsal:<br>
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                                                  <div dir="ltr">Já
                                                    hledám tak, že tam
                                                    připojím třeba 1V a
                                                    měřím napětí v
                                                    jednotlivých částech
                                                    napájecí sběrnice.
                                                    Při větším proudu (
                                                    je třeba omezení I) 
                                                    <div>už je poznat
                                                      třeba prstem nebo 
                                                      termokamerou,
                                                      který kond je ve
                                                      zkratu...</div>
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                                                      29. 5. 2024
                                                      v 21:54 odesílatel
                                                      Michal Grunt <<a
href="mailto:michal.grunt@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michal.grunt@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      napsal:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
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                                                      <div dir="auto">Mám
                                                        tu jeden
                                                        notebook, který
                                                        se chová tak, že
                                                        po zmacknuti
                                                        tlacitka pro
                                                        zapnutí se na
                                                        1-5 vteřin zapne
                                                        a ihned vypne.
                                                        Po vyzkoušení
                                                        takoveho toho
                                                        bezne
                                                        uzivatelsky
                                                        mozneho (jina
                                                        pamet atd.) jsem
                                                        vyndal desku.
                                                        Vypadá to, že je
                                                        ve zkratu část
                                                        za menici
                                                        napětí, které
                                                        napájí CPU.
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                                                        <div dir="auto">Předpokládejme,
                                                          že je na vine
                                                          nějaký z
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Desku jsem
                                                          prohlédl pod
                                                          mikroskopem a
                                                          žádnou
                                                          destrukci
                                                          něčeho jsem
                                                          nenašel. Ani
                                                          žádný náznak.
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                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Kondenzátory
                                                          pod CPU a část
                                                          kondenzátoru
                                                          za menici jsou
                                                          ve zkratu.
                                                          Před menici
                                                          jsou v pořádku
                                                          (mysleno tak,
                                                          ze napajeci
                                                          konektor ve
                                                          zkratu neni).
                                                          Na desce je
                                                          měničů více,
                                                          ale postižené
                                                          jsou ty v
                                                          uctite části
                                                          desky.
                                                          Dohromady asi
                                                          40
                                                          kondenzatoru
                                                          plus ty pod
                                                          CPU.</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Jak
                                                          v nich najít
                                                          ten
                                                          problémový?
                                                          Osahat jsem to
                                                          DM v režimu
                                                          ohmetr a v
                                                          určitě části
                                                          jsem nameril
                                                          minimální
                                                          odpor. Ale i
                                                          tak jde o dost
                                                          kusů
                                                          kondenzátoru.
                                                          Pak tu mám
                                                          ještě tuto
                                                          konstrukci</div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          </div>
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href="http://mcu.cz/news.php?extend.1242.3"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
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                                                          dir="auto">která
                                                          meri miliohmy,
                                                          ale s tím jsem
                                                          toho take moc
                                                          nenašel nebo s
                                                          tím v tomto
                                                          režimu
                                                          neumí... Viděl
                                                          jsem videa jak
                                                          s tím autor
                                                          zkraty hledá
                                                          či blíže
                                                          lokalizuje,
                                                          ale nějak se
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                                                          tam
                                                          "injektovat"
                                                          napětí
                                                          postupne na
                                                          ruzna mista a
                                                          měřit odběr?</div>
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