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    Tak to je lepší, neĹľ jsem ÄŤekal.<br>
    Pokud by to chtÄ›la aspoň provizornÄ› zprovoznit neĹľ se situace
    vyĹ™eší/vyreklamuje, tak je to akce na 5 minut - zapojit spirály
    paralelnÄ› a pĹ™ipojit zelenoĹľlutĂ˝ drát.<br>
    ProtoĹľe do instalace zasahovat asi nechce, tak bych do toho malĂ©ho
    rozvaděče mĂ­sto ÄŤernĂ©ho kabelu zapojil prodluĹľovaÄŤku (psa) a do nÄ›ho
    zapĂ­chnul oba přívodnĂ­ kabely.<br>
    <br>
    PL<br>
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    *****************<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 30.5.2024 v 10:59 AZe napsal(a):<br>
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          <div>Změřeno. DC (168-170)V, proud (5,6-5,8)A, cca 950W. VĂ­c
            to nikdy nebude.</div>
          <div>aze</div>
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                <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
                    title="aze@seznam.cz" href="mailto:aze@seznam.cz"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">AZe</a> </div>
                <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 30, 2024 9:02 AM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a title="hw-list@list.hw.cz"
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                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Ohrev TUV za 90 tisic</div>
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                <div>HezkĂ©. Tady jsou ale jen 4 panely, zasahovat do
                  toho z vĂ­ce dĹŻvodĹŻ nemohu, je to â€śv záruce”. Krom toho
                  existujĂ­ dva pĹ™edávacĂ­ protokoly s rĹŻznĂ˝m datem, 21.5.
                  a 29.5., s tĂ­m, Ĺľe dĂ­lo bylo pĹ™evzato kompletnĂ­ a bez
                  závad a od toho data je v záruce. PrvnĂ­ protokol jĂ­
                  podstrÄŤili k podpisu s tĂ­m, Ĺľe jde jen o panely a
                  zapojili střídaÄŤ (bez revize), pĹ™itom bojler byl ještÄ›
                  na zemi...to byli ti dva Poláci. DruhĂ˝ protokol vypsal
                  instalatĂ©r a ten m.j. zapojil kabely k bojleru. Z
                  ĂşspornĂ˝ch dĹŻvodĹŻ odmontoval jeden bĂ­lĂ˝ z pĹŻvodnĂ­ho
                  bojleru, ÄŤernĂ˝ dodal sám. On vlastnÄ› mĹŻĹľe tvrdit, Ĺľe
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                <div>Slunce svĂ­tĂ­, pĹŻjdu měřit.</div>
                <div>Firma je T.C.S. COMPANY s.r.o., Ostravská 438,
                  PetĹ™vald</div>
                <div>aze</div>
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                      <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
                          title="honza.kuba@gmail.com"
                          href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">Jan Kuba</a> </div>
                      <div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 29, 2024 11:36 PM</div>
                      <div><b>To:</b> <a title="hw-list@list.hw.cz"
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                      <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Ohrev TUV za 90 tisic</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">NajdÄ›te si vlákno, Ĺ™ešilo se to tu pĹ™ed
                    ÄŤasem. Bojler 120l krmenĂ˝ pĹ™imo z FV panelĹŻ 5x45V ,
                    400W panely.
                    <div>Trvale pĹ™ipjenĂ© na spirálu, stykaÄŤ to odhodĂ­,
                      jen kdyĹľ je natopeno na 80C. KdyĹľ nenĂ­ natopeno
                      protoĹľe nesvĂ­tilo, pĹ™epne spirála ( po pĹ™edchozĂ­m
                      odpojenĂ­ ss stykaÄŤe)  na  D25 tarif.</div>
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                      <div>Panel stál 2200 kÄŤ, to je 10600kÄŤ, ostatnĂ­ -
                        hlavnÄ› mechanika okolo montáže FV , ss stykaÄŤ,
                        jednoduchá elektronika a kabely cca 6000kÄŤ.
                        <div>KdyĹľ poÄŤĂ­tám kWh za 5,5kÄŤ, tak to roÄŤnÄ›
                          uspoří cca 7000kÄŤ, návratnost investice je
                          nÄ›co málo pĹ™es 2 roky...</div>
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                          <div>Funguje to uĹľ bezmála 2 roky i kdyĹľ tu
                            nÄ›kteří proroci tvrdili, Ĺľe bez mÄ›niÄŤe to
                            vyletĂ­ do vzduchu.</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">st 29. 5.
                              2024 v 22:14 odesĂ­latel Jaroslav Buchta
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                              napsal:<br>
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                              1px solid">Hned clovek s radosti zaplati
                              2+ nasobnou dan z nemovitosti, aby bylo na
                              <br>
                              rozhazovani na tyhle blbosti... Kdy se asi
                              vrati 90 litru v teple vode? <br>
                              Mam 3 roky bojler s tepelnym cerpadlem,
                              denni spotreba v prumeru asi 2kWh...<br>
                              Dne 29.05.2024 v 22:04 Petr Labaj
                              napsal(a):<br>
                              > Opravdu roztomilá instalace. Coby
                              taky ÄŤlovÄ›k chtÄ›l, za 90 litrĹŻ.<br>
                              > RozumĂ­m tomu doufám správnÄ›, Ĺľe za
                              chodu musĂ­ bĂ˝t ten rozvaděč stále <br>
                              > otevĹ™enĂ˝, protoĹľe do nÄ›ho zvenku vede
                              ba ÄŤerná ĹˇĹˆĹŻra. HezkĂ© a <br>
                              > praktickĂ© Ĺ™ešenĂ­.<br>
                              > Bylo by zajĂ­mavĂ© změřit na vstupu z
                              panelĹŻ jakĂ˝ proud tam teÄŤe. DC na <br>
                              > vstupu se bude lĂ­p měřit neĹľ nÄ›jakĂ˝
                              rozsekanĂ˝ obdĂ©lnĂ­k na vĂ˝stupu.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Pokud skuteÄŤnÄ› má zapojenĂ© obÄ›
                              spirály najednou, a z toho je jedna do <br>
                              > gridu na 230V, tak to je opravdu
                              mazec.<br>
                              > To by chtÄ›lo pořádnÄ› zdokumentovat a
                              nafotit, a poslat na StátnĂ­ fond <br>
                              > ĹľivotnĂ­ho prostĹ™edĂ­ a na Ĺ˝ivnostenskĂ˝
                              ĂşĹ™ad.<br>
                              > Tedy aĹľ potĂ©, co napĹ™ed bude firma
                              vyzvána, aby to udÄ›lala pořádnÄ›. <br>
                              > KaĹľdĂ˝ má dostat druhou Ĺˇanci. Ale
                              zdokumentovat pĹ™edem.<br>
                              > A ještÄ› pĹ™edtĂ­m, neĹľ zaÄŤnete dÄ›lat
                              vlny, by se sousedka mĂ­rnĂ˝m hlasem <br>
                              > mohla zeptat, jestli dostane reviznĂ­
                              zprávu. Je jĂ­ kamarádka v <br>
                              > samoobsluze Ĺ™Ă­kala, Ĺľe ona ji
                              dostala.<br>
                              > To bude taky ještÄ› zajĂ­mavĂ©.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > PL<br>
                              ><br>
                              > ******************<br>
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                              > Dne 29.5.2024 v 21:26 AZe napsal(a):<br>
                              >> Nedá mi to, musĂ­m ještÄ› jednou.
                              Dnes po poledni panĂ­ do-osazovali k <br>
                              >> FVE novĂ˝ bojler. Byl uĹľ
                              pĹ™ipravenĂ˝, DraĹľice 125l, 2+2,2kW.<br>
                              >> AÄŤ jsem jĂ­ vÄŤera (!) zdĹŻrazňoval,
                              aĹĄ nic nepodepisuje a pĹ™edtĂ­m mne <br>
                              >> zavolá, podepsala lejstro, Ĺľe je
                              vše OK...... :(<br>
                              >> Pán, vodoinstalatĂ©r, vymÄ›nil
                              tĂ©měř novĂ˝ bojler z DraĹľic za onen novĂ˝. <br>
                              >> Jo, dotace to vyĹľadujĂ­.<br>
                              >> Ze starĂ©ho odmontoval bĂ­lĂ˝ kabel
                              s vidlicĂ­ 230V (!) a zapojil jej na <br>
                              >> novĂ˝. DruhĂ˝ kabel dodal sám,
                              gumovĂ˝ ÄŤernĂ˝, a na nÄ›j druhou vidlici.<br>
                              >> Ten bĂ­lĂ˝ se má prĂ˝ zapojit na
                              230V a ten ÄŤernĂ˝ do zásuvky v <br>
                              >> rozvaděčku FVE. Na bojleru
                              svĂ­tily obÄ› kontrolky, to je prĂ˝ správnÄ›,
                              <br>
                              >> neboĹĄ kdyĹľ nechá jen ten ve FVE,
                              tak se voda neohĹ™eje (!!!!). UĹľ jsem <br>
                              >> psal, ze 170V má tÄ›leso 2kW/230
                              sotva 1kW.<br>
                              >> Ty kabely tedy pĹ™ipojoval
                              vodoinstalatĂ©r zĹ™ejmÄ› bez elektrotechnickĂ©
                              <br>
                              >> kvalifikace a hned to vše uvedl
                              do provozu.<br>
                              >> ReviznĂ­ zpráva nenĂ­ dodána,
                              regulátor Geti nic automaticky nepĹ™epĂ­ná,
                              <br>
                              >> neboĹĄ nenĂ­ pĹ™ipojen k sĂ­ti.<br>
                              >> U FVE chybĂ­ pĹ™epěťovĂ© ochrany, v
                              rozvaděči jeden Ĺˇroub krytu, chybĂ­ <br>
                              >> krytky na nevyuĹľitĂ© pozice. Nic
                              nenĂ­ uzemnÄ›no, ani FVE.<br>
                              >> Tak a teÄŹ babo raÄŹ. dovolil jsem
                              si malou přílohu.<br>
                              >> aze<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> -----PĹŻvodnĂ­ zpráva----- From:
                              Petr Labaj<br>
                              >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 6:22
                              PM<br>
                              >> To: <a
                                href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
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                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                              >> Subject: Re: Ohrev TUV za 90
                              tisic<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> [OT]<br>
                              >> Byl jsem na traktoriádÄ›, tak
                              odpovĂ­dám se zpoĹľdÄ›nĂ­m.<br>
                              >> Mimochodem vĹľdy je mi smutno,
                              kdyĹľ vidĂ­m ty krásnĂ© naše pĹ™edváleÄŤnĂ©<br>
                              >> stroje. Ale nakonec i ty, co se
                              dÄ›laly za totáče.<br>
                              >> A zrovna tenhle tĂ˝den Zetor
                              oznámil, Ĺľe prakticky zavĂ­rá fabriku.
                              Resp.<br>
                              >> propouštĂ­ polovinu zbylĂ˝ch
                              zamÄ›stnancĹŻ, coĹľ je prakticky totéž.<br>
                              >> [/OT]<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Velikost bojleru si urÄŤuje
                              zákaznĂ­k. Jednak podle potĹ™eb, ale ÄŤasto i<br>
                              >> podle toho, co se mu tam vejde
                              (to je i mĹŻj případ, omezenĂ˝ prostor).<br>
                              >> PodmĂ­nky jsou mám pocit minimálnÄ›
                              2kWp v panelech, a minimálnÄ› 45 litrĹŻ<br>
                              >> vody na 1kWp.<br>
                              >> TakĹľe u tĂ© dámy to je oboje
                              splnÄ›no, vody má vĂ­c neĹľ je nezbytnĂ© <br>
                              >> minimum.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Jestli to musĂ­ fungovat, o tom se
                              uĹľ tam asi nic nepíše. Ĺ˜eší to ĂşĹ™ad. A<br>
                              >> ĂşĹ™ady odjakĹľiva nezajĂ­má, jestli
                              nÄ›co funguje a jestli to má smysl <br>
                              >> nebo ne.<br>
                              >> Teoreticky tu ĹľĂˇdost musĂ­ vyplnit
                              nÄ›kdo, kdo má koupenĂ˝ nÄ›jakĂ˝ glejt.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Pro ohĹ™ev vody se používajĂ­ levnĂ©
                              solárnĂ­ střídaÄŤe (ty majĂ­ instalatéři<br>
                              >> nejradÄ›ji, ušetří), ty umĂ­ jen
                              rozsekat DC z panelĹŻ.<br>
                              >> Nebo pak solárnĂ­ mÄ›niÄŤe, kterĂ©
                              umĂ­ napÄ›tĂ­ zvyšovat a dávajĂ­ na vĂ˝stupu<br>
                              >> běžnĂ˝ch 230V. Ale ty jsou dražší,
                              tak proÄŤ by je firma nabĂ­zela, Ĺľe.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> NĂ­zkĂ© napÄ›tĂ­ je prostÄ› problĂ©m.
                              To, Ĺľe je na stĹ™eše teoreticky velkĂ˝<br>
                              >> vĂ˝kon je k niÄŤemu, kdyĹľ ho v
                              reálu nenĂ­ moĹľnĂ© prakticky využít.<br>
                              >> Jak všichni vĂ­me, tak vĂ˝kon na
                              konstantnĂ­m odporu závisĂ­ na 2. mocninÄ›<br>
                              >> napÄ›tĂ­ na nÄ›m.<br>
                              >> Tak pokud na 2kW spirálu pro 230V
                              pĹ™ivedeme mĂ­sto 230V jen necelĂ˝ch<br>
                              >> 170V, tak prostÄ› dostaneme jen
                              cca 1kW tepla. I kdyby ty panely umÄ›ly<br>
                              >> dát tĹ™eba megawatt.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Proto uĹľ po nÄ›kolikátĂ© píšu, Ĺľe
                              je tĹ™eba to vzájemnÄ› pĹ™izpĹŻsobit. Jsou<br>
                              >> minimálnÄ› 3 moĹľnosti:<br>
                              >> - vĂ­c panelĹŻ<br>
                              >> - spirála na nižší napÄ›tĂ­<br>
                              >> - mÄ›niÄŤ mĂ­sto střídaÄŤe<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Revize: pravdÄ›podobnÄ› to bude
                              dÄ›lat jejich revizák distanÄŤnÄ›. A prĂ˝ to<br>
                              >> snad dokonce ani neodporuje
                              zákonu, coĹľ mi hlava nebere.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> K pĹ™epěťovkám (i kdyĹľ to bylo
                              myslĂ­m v postu pana AndÄ›la): problematika<br>
                              >> pĹ™epěťovek je trochu sloĹľitÄ›jší.<br>
                              >> V kostce: pokud mĹŻĹľu dodrĹľet
                              bezpeÄŤnou vzdálenost od hromosvodu i jeho<br>
                              >> svodĹŻ (Ĺ™eší následnÄ› revize), tak
                              mi staÄŤĂ­ pĹ™epěťovka typu T2.<br>
                              >> Ty jsou nÄ›kdy součásti mÄ›niÄŤe na
                              jeho vstupu.<br>
                              >> Pokud tuto vzdálenost docĂ­lit
                              nelze (malá stĹ™echa, plechová stĹ™echa<br>
                              >> atd.), je tĹ™eba použít pĹ™epěťovku
                              typu T1+T2 (vĂ˝raznÄ› dražší).<br>
                              >> A takovou podle mÄ› ĹľĂˇdnĂ˝ mÄ›niÄŤ v
                              sobÄ› nemá.<br>
                              >> Další omezenĂ­ je, Ĺľe kabel od
                              panelĹŻ by nemÄ›l v obytnĂ˝ch prostorách<br>
                              >> pĹ™ekroÄŤit cca 9m. Pokud je delší,
                              mÄ›la by bĂ˝t pĹ™epěťovka nahoĹ™e i dole.<br>
                              >> NahoĹ™e podle typu stĹ™echy T1+T2
                              nebo jen T2, dole vĹľdy staÄŤĂ­ T2 (která<br>
                              >> mĹŻĹľe bĂ˝t součástĂ­
                              střídaÄŤe/mÄ›niÄŤe).<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> PL<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> *********************<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Dne 26.5.2024 v 12:50 AZe
                              napsal(a):<br>
                              >>> Ano, tomu rozumĂ­m. V krabiÄŤce
                              s 8 moduly je zásuvka 230V a dva <br>
                              >>> odpĂ­naÄŤe, pĹ™epěťovĂ© ochrany
                              ne a jinak se tam nic moc nevejde.<br>
                              >>> Jo, a majitelka Ĺ™Ă­kala, Ĺľe ti
                              dva, kteří to instalovali, byli <br>
                              >>> Poláci.... jejich ĹˇĂ©f, ÄŚech,
                              jĂ­ tvrdil, kdyĹľ pĹ™ijeli zjistila to, Ĺľe <br>
                              >>> na to majĂ­ kvalifikaci. No
                              nazdar.<br>
                              >>> NevĂ­m, kdo bude dÄ›lat revizi.<br>
                              >>> aze<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> -----PĹŻvodnĂ­ zpráva-----
                              From: Petr Labaj<br>
                              >>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024
                              12:35 PM<br>
                              >>> To: <a
                                href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                              >>> Subject: Re: Ohrev TUV za 90
                              tisic<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> No proto tam já budu dávat
                              ten pĹ™epĂ­naÄŤ sĂ­tĂ­.<br>
                              >>> Pro 170V je vhodnĂ© je zapojit
                              paralelnÄ›, pĹ™i provozu na sĂ­ĹĄ uĹľ ne.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> PL<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> *******************<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Dne 26.5.2024 v 12:15 AZe
                              napsal(a):<br>
                              >>>> Plechová stĹ™echa. Zásuvka
                              230V je pĹ™ipojena na vĂ˝stup střídaÄŤe. <br>
                              >>>> Dráty k nĂ­ odhaduji
                              1,5mm2, musĂ­m se mrknout znovu.<br>
                              >>>> Pokud spojĂ­ v bojleru 2
                              spirály paralelnÄ›, bude příkon 4,2kW. To <br>
                              >>>> pĹ™i 230V bude pĹ™es 18A.<br>
                              >>>> Jedno tÄ›leso dosáhne pĹ™i
                              170V na jednu spirálu poloviÄŤnĂ­ho vĂ˝konu.<br>
                              >>>> NevĂ­m, asi to nenĂ­
                              správnĂ©.<br>
                              >>>> PĹ™epěťovĂ© ochrany tam
                              nejsou.<br>
                              >>>> PĹŻvodnÄ› tam prĂ˝ mÄ›lo bĂ˝t
                              5 panelĹŻ s menším vĂ˝konem, ve finále dali
                              <br>
                              >>>> 4 vÄ›tší. Asi je to vyšlo
                              levnÄ›ji. Smlouvu jsem nevidÄ›l.<br>
                              >>>> aze<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> -----PĹŻvodnĂ­ zpráva-----
                              From: Petr Labaj<br>
                              >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 26,
                              2024 11:03 AM<br>
                              >>>> To: <a
                                href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                              >>>> Subject: Re: Ohrev TUV za
                              90 tisic<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> Z toho popisu nenĂ­
                              poznat, jak to bude zapojeno.<br>
                              >>>> Ale minimálnÄ› je z toho
                              poznat, Ĺľe tam nemajĂ­ bleskojistky, coĹľ je
                              <br>
                              >>>> podle<br>
                              >>>> mÄ› ĹˇpatnÄ›.<br>
                              >>>> Neznám ale instalaÄŤnĂ­
                              pomÄ›ry na stĹ™eše.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> Ĺ˝e tam je zásuvka 230C
                              mĹŻĹľe znamenat 2 vÄ›ci.<br>
                              >>>> BuÄŹ uvaĹľujĂ­ pĹ™ipojenĂ­
                              bojleru pohyblivĂ˝m přívodem, a ten střídaÄŤ
                              bude<br>
                              >>>> jednoduše<br>
                              >>>> krmit tuto zásuvku.<br>
                              >>>> KdyĹľ bude málo slunce,
                              tak si uĹľivatel pĹ™epĂ­chne bojler do běžnĂ©
                              <br>
                              >>>> sĂ­ĹĄovĂ©<br>
                              >>>> zásuvky.<br>
                              >>>> Nebo nÄ›kterĂ© střídaÄŤe umĂ­
                              samy pĹ™epnout vĂ˝stup na sĂ­ĹĄ.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> Nebo to je zásuvka pro
                              další spotĹ™ebiÄŤ. NÄ›kterĂ© střídaÄŤe umĂ­ <br>
                              >>>> priorizaci.<br>
                              >>>> KdyĹľ je<br>
                              >>>> vĂ˝kon ze slunce a nenĂ­
                              odbÄ›r na primárnĂ­m vĂ˝stupu (tj. v bojleru
                              vypne<br>
                              >>>> termostat),<br>
                              >>>> tak pustĂ­ napájenĂ­ do
                              druhĂ© zásuvky. TĹ™eba pro nÄ›jakĂ˝
                              infrazářiÄŤ, <br>
                              >>>> topnĂ˝<br>
                              >>>> Ĺľebřík atd.<br>
                              >>>> Tady uĹľ ale bude problĂ©m
                              s nĂ­zkĂ˝m napÄ›tĂ­m a tedy i malĂ˝m vĂ˝konem.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> S tĂ­m poÄŤtem panelĹŻ: v
                              podmĂ­nkách je, Ĺľe na 1 kWp v panelech musĂ­
                              bĂ˝t<br>
                              >>>> minimálnÄ›<br>
                              >>>> 45 litrĹŻ v zásobnĂ­ku. A
                              pokud v danĂ©m mĂ­stÄ› tĹ™eba nenĂ­ mĂ­sto na
                              vÄ›tší<br>
                              >>>> bojler, tak se<br>
                              >>>> mĹŻĹľe stát, Ĺľe tam legálnÄ›
                              nejde pĹ™ipojit vĂ­c panelĹŻ.<br>
                              >>>> Ale opÄ›t - neznám reálie
                              danĂ© instalace.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> K bojleru: já jsem
                              pĹŻvodnÄ› zvaĹľoval pouĹľitĂ­ jinĂ©ho bojleru.
                              Ale <br>
                              >>>> nakonec<br>
                              >>>> jsem se taky<br>
                              >>>> pĹ™iklonil k DraĹľicĂ­m. Na
                              rozdĂ­l od všelijakĂ˝ch AristonĹŻ a dalších <br>
                              >>>> znaÄŤek<br>
                              >>>> (kterĂ© by vyšly<br>
                              >>>> levnÄ›ji) jsou ty DraĹľice
                              taková Ĺˇikovná skládaÄŤka. DÄ›lajĂ­ do toho <br>
                              >>>> rĹŻzná<br>
                              >>>> topná tÄ›lesa<br>
                              >>>> o rĹŻznĂ©m vĂ˝konu (1.3-4kW)
                              a v rĹŻznĂ© konfiguraci (1-3 spirály). NavĂ­c
                              u<br>
                              >>>> nás existuje<br>
                              >>>> firma Nadeta, která
                              prodává topná tÄ›lesa i pro jiná napÄ›tĂ­, a
                              <br>
                              >>>> dokonce za<br>
                              >>>> docela<br>
                              >>>> rozumnĂ© penĂ­ze namotá
                              spirálu podle poĹľadavku zákaznĂ­ka.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> K tĂ© konkrĂ©tnĂ­ pĹ™edstavÄ›,
                              jak to budu mĂ­t já: kupuju do toho <br>
                              >>>> spirálu 4kW<br>
                              >>>> se tĹ™emi<br>
                              >>>> spirálami po 1.3kW/230V.<br>
                              >>>> Na kaĹľdou spirálu zapojĂ­m
                              SSR (kdysi jsem koupil nÄ›kolik znaÄŤkovĂ˝ch
                              <br>
                              >>>> SSR<br>
                              >>>> z nÄ›jakĂ©<br>
                              >>>> zrušenĂ© zakázky). TakĹľe
                              budu umÄ›t vypĂ­nat kaĹľdou spirálu zvlášť.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> PĹ™ed to zapojĂ­m ovládanĂ˝
                              pĹ™epĂ­naÄŤ sĂ­tĂ­. NapěťovÄ› se toho nebojĂ­m,
                              ty<br>
                              >>>> pĹ™epĂ­naÄŤe<br>
                              >>>> jsou dÄ›lanĂ© na obecnĂ©
                              pĹ™epĂ­nanĂ­ nesynchronnĂ­ch sĂ­tĂ­. Ale protoĹľe<br>
                              >>>> pĹ™epĂ­najĂ­ jen I-II<br>
                              >>>> bez mezipolohy, tak lidem
                              ÄŤasto odcházejĂ­ kontakty v dĹŻsledku
                              opálenĂ­<br>
                              >>>> obloukem.<br>
                              >>>> No a tady se uplatnĂ­ to
                              SSR, kdy budu pĹ™epĂ­nat vĹľdy bez proudu.<br>
                              >>>> Druhá funkce toho SR
                              samozĹ™ejmÄ› bude v tom, Ĺľe budu moct po
                              tĹ™etinách<br>
                              >>>> regulovat<br>
                              >>>> vĂ˝kon.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> VycházĂ­ to hezky. Pro bÄ›h
                              z malĂ©ho střídaÄŤe, kterĂ˝ dá nÄ›jakĂ˝ch 160V,<br>
                              >>>> zapojĂ­m všechny<br>
                              >>>> 3 spirály paralelnÄ› a
                              mÄ›lo by to dát akorát maximálnĂ­ proud z
                              panelĹŻ.<br>
                              >>>> PĹ™i bÄ›hu z velkĂ©
                              fotovoltaiky nebo nedejboĹľe z gridu pak
                              budou <br>
                              >>>> zapojenĂ©<br>
                              >>>> ty spirály<br>
                              >>>> kaĹľdá na 230V a vĂ˝kon
                              bude 1.3 aĹľ 4 kW podle toho, kolik SSR
                              bude <br>
                              >>>> sepnutĂ˝ch.<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> PL<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> *********************<br>
                              >>>><br>
                              >>>> Dne 26.5.2024 v 9:56 AZE
                              napsal(a):<br>
                              >>>>> No to mne napadlo,
                              ale domnĂ­vám se, Ĺľe jedna spirála je
                              urÄŤena pro <br>
                              >>>>> sĂ­ĹĄ 230V a druhá pro
                              střídaÄŤ. ProblĂ©m paralelnĂ­ho spojenĂ­ na <br>
                              >>>>> střídaÄŤ a
                              jednoduchĂ©ho na sĂ­ĹĄ vidĂ­m v pĹ™epĂ­nánĂ­, sĂ­ĹĄ
                              je sinus, <br>
                              >>>>> střídaÄŤ obdĂ©lnĂ­k, je
                              to nesynchronnĂ­ a klidnÄ› tam mĹŻĹľe bĂ˝t
                              rozdĂ­l <br>
                              >>>>> 500V. NÄ›jak jsem ten
                              střídaÄŤ nestudoval, jen mi to pĹ™išlo
                              divnĂ©. <br>
                              >>>>> DovnitĹ™ se asi
                              nekouknu, nenĂ­ to moje...:) Na zdi majĂ­
                              malou 8 <br>
                              >>>>> modulovou krabiÄŤku, v
                              nĂ­ jsou 2 DC odpojovaÄŤe a jedna zásuvka na
                              <br>
                              >>>>> 230V, jinak nic....
                              UvidĂ­me, aĹľ to bude hotovĂ©.<br>
                              >>>>> ĂšdajnÄ› to má pĹ™epĂ­nat
                              bojler na sĂ­ĹĄ, kdyĹľ slunce nesvĂ­tĂ­. Podle
                              <br>
                              >>>>> mne by to beze zbytku
                              Ĺ™ešilo pouĹľitĂ­ 5 FVP v sĂ©rii, jsou tam 4.<br>
                              >>>>> aze<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> -----PĹŻvodnĂ­
                              zpráva----- From: Petr Labaj<br>
                              >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May
                              25, 2024 10:10 PM<br>
                              >>>>> To: <a
                                href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                              >>>>> Subject: Re: Ohrev
                              TUV za 90 tisic<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> Ale to celkem
                              vycházĂ­, ne?<br>
                              >>>>> Pokud se zapojĂ­ ty
                              spirály paralelnÄ›, tak to celkem dá
                              nÄ›jakĂ˝ch <br>
                              >>>>> 12.6 R.<br>
                              >>>>> No a pĹ™i napÄ›tĂ­ 167V
                              to tĂ­m dokáže protlaÄŤit maximálnĂ­ proud
                              panelĹŻ.<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> Já se chystám taky na
                              vĂ˝mÄ›nu bojleru (zatĂ­m plynovĂ˝). A budu tam
                              <br>
                              >>>>> instalovat<br>
                              >>>>> pĹ™epĂ­naÄŤ sĂ­tĂ­, kterĂ˝
                              v jednĂ© poloze zapojĂ­ paralelnÄ› 3 spirály
                              pro<br>
                              >>>>> napÄ›tĂ­ 170V,<br>
                              >>>>> ve druhĂ© poloze
                              2x230V z velkĂ© fotovoltaiky.<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> Pro info: ten program
                              90 tis. KÄŤ se na mÄ› nevztahuje.<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> PL<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> *******************<br>
                              >>>>><br>
                              >>>>> Dne 25.5.2024 v 13:45
                              AZe napsal(a):<br>
                              >>>>>> ZdravĂ­m. Známá si
                              nechala nainstalovat "na dotace" 90 tisĂ­c
                              FVE <br>
                              >>>>>> na ohĹ™ev TUV.<br>
                              >>>>>> Dostala 4 kusy
                              FVE panelĹŻ SP540-144M10, 540Wp, jmenovitĂ©
                              napÄ›tĂ­ v <br>
                              >>>>>> bodÄ› MPPT 41,96V,<br>
                              >>>>>> napÄ›tĂ­ naprázdno
                              je 49,58V. Max. proud je 12,96A.<br>
                              >>>>>> VĂ˝kon
                              540Wp*4=2160Wp opticky vypadá, Ĺľe je
                              shodnĂ˝ s příkonem <br>
                              >>>>>> bojleru, ale 4
                              panely v sĂ©rii nikdy nepĹ™ekroÄŤĂ­ napÄ›tĂ­
                              bodu MPP, <br>
                              >>>>>> kterĂ© je mnohem
                              nĂ­Ĺľ (167V), neĹľ napÄ›tĂ­ v sĂ­ti. Měřeno se
                              ĹľĂˇrovkou <br>
                              >>>>>> 40W dnes za
                              plnĂ©ho svitu 172 V (TrueRMS, lezou z toho
                              obdĂ©lnĂ­ky).<br>
                              >>>>>> Bojler OKCE 125
                              2/2 má 2 topná tÄ›lesa, tÄ›leso 1: 2,0 kW a
                              tÄ›leso <br>
                              >>>>>> 2: 2,2 kW.<br>
                              >>>>>> Odpor topnĂ˝ch
                              spirál je 26,5 OhmĹŻ a 24 OhmĹŻ.<br>
                              >>>>>> Kdyby FVP
                              pracovaly v bodÄ› MPPT, coĹľ by mÄ›ly
                              (regulátor GETI má <br>
                              >>>>>> MPPT), byl by
                              vĂ˝kon<br>
                              >>>>>> 1:
                              167*167/26,5=1052W   JmenovitĂ˝ příkon
                              bojleru je 2000W<br>
                              >>>>>> 2: 
                              167*167/24=1162W    JmenovitĂ˝ příkon
                              bojleru je 2200W<br>
                              >>>>>><br>
                              >>>>>> Dotaz: Zdá se vám
                              to normálnĂ­? Je nÄ›jak dán vĂ˝kon FVP ÄŤi
                              jinĂ© <br>
                              >>>>>> parametry, nebo
                              si firma, kterĂ˝ch se vyrojily stovky, mĹŻĹľe
                              dÄ›lat <br>
                              >>>>>> co uzná za
                              vhodnĂ©? Bojler kolik litrĹŻ chce, 4 panely
                              nebo 5 <br>
                              >>>>>> panelĹŻ.... Cena
                              materiálu je maloobchodÄ› cca 30 tisĂ­c.
                              Dotace 90. <br>
                              >>>>>> No neberte to...
                              v lĂ©tÄ› sotva poloviÄŤnĂ­ vĂ˝kon, co bude na
                              podzim?<br>
                              >>>>>> Poslal jsem dotaz
                              pĹ™es datovku na sfĹľp, nicmĂ©nÄ› ĂşĹ™ednĂ­ho
                              Ĺˇimla ke <br>
                              >>>>>> cvalu nedonutíš.<br>
                              >>>>>> aze<br>
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