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    Mě by hlavně zajímalo, jestli jako běžný uživatel můžu, třeba za
    poplatek, nechat vyměnit elektroměr za ten co to umí takhle účtovat.<br>
    <br>
    Pokud ano, tak to pro mě znamená, že<br>
    - můžu upravit ohřívač na vodu, aby někdy chtěl dosáhnout max.
    teploty a jindy o něco nižší, takže než vychladne, drahota možná
    skončí.<br>
    - stejně pro topení<br>
    - se půjdu koupat když je el. levná<br>
    - myčku nechám napustit, trochu prošploucat a pak vypnu. Až bude
    levno, nějaký udělátko ji zapne.<br>
    <br>
    Určitě by se toho našlo víc.<br>
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    PH<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 07.08.2023 v 18:00 AZe napsal(a):<br>
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          <div>Zdravím. Vrátím se k tématu ohledně cen a záporných cen.</div>
          <div>Dnes na <a
title="https://www.ote-cr.cz/cs/kratkodobe-trhy/elektrina/denni-trh?date=2023-08-08"
href="https://www.ote-cr.cz/cs/kratkodobe-trhy/elektrina/denni-trh?date=2023-08-08"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ote-cr.cz/cs/kratkodobe-trhy/elektrina/denni-trh?date=2023-08-08</a></div>
          <div>je na zítra 8.8.2023 křivka ceny pod nulou. Co to pro
            běžného uživatele znamená? Má cenu například nabíjet
            baterie?</div>
          <div>A druhá věc: </div>
          <div>Dala by se křivka nějak využít tak, aby se podle
            nastavené úrovně třeba něco sepnulo a po zvednutí ceny zase
            odpojilo?</div>
          <div>Nebo data z tabulky, nebo se nějaká využitelná data dají
            najít jinde?</div>
          <div>aze</div>
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                <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
                    title="konference@vojtek.biz"
                    href="mailto:konference@vojtek.biz"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">konference@vojtek.biz</a>
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                <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 03, 2023 5:09 PM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a title="hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                    href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">'HW-news'</a> </div>
                <div><b>Subject:</b> RE: OT Spotové tarify</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Kolega již rok a půl provozuje tento
                systém (akumulace – prodej když je draho ) a říká, že to
                každý měsíc nějakou tisícovku hodí, ale bývalo to lepší
                – trh se pomalu posouvá a podobných elektráren hodně
                přibylo.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">J.V.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p> </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hw-list
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz"><hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz></a> <b>On Behalf Of
                    </b>Vláďa Anděl<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:54 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: OT Spotové tarify<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p> </p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Zatím  to nemám v provozu a tedy
                  nemám zkušenosti, ale předpokládám, že v rámci
                  možností budu využívat baterku. Dávat energii do sítě,
                  když je nejdražší - tedy ve špičkách. Problém baterky
                  je, že pokud se nebude využívat tak, aby každý den
                  udělala jeden cykl, uplyne její časem omezená
                  životnost (prý 15 let), aniž by se využila její
                  životnost v počtu cyklů. Takže když si spočítáte cenu
                  akumulované energie jen při běžném chodu domácnosti,
                  vyjdou vám docela šílené ceny. Ale pokud vám baterku z
                  větší části zaplatila dotace, není to s tou ekonomikou
                  provozu tak špatné :-) Samosřejmě že ani se spotovýma
                  cenama to na nějaký větší výdělek není. Baterka je za
                  2 hodiny nabitá a pak už není energii kam dávat. S
                  baterkou ze starého elektroauta cca 60 KWh a za levno
                  by to bylo zajímavější.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Anděl<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Dne 03.08.2023 v 10:24 Jirka Mww
                  napsal(a):<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Tak nějak nevím, jak by se
                    vyplatily ty spotové ceny, když mám FVE.  Pokud
                    svítí, je elektřina zadarmo nebo za záporné ceny,
                    takže dodávka do sítě by se mi nevyplatila, a pokud
                    nesvítí, zaplatil bych as víc než současnou
                    fixovanou cenu.  Lepší se mi jeví ukládat přebytky v
                    rámci tarifu pro soláry.   Mimochodem, jak se řeší v
                    případě domácí malé FVE ty záporné ceny ?   <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Zdravi<br>
                          Jirka Sloupenský  OK1MWW<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">čt 3. 8. 2023 v 9:21 odesílatel
                      AZe <<a href="mailto:aze@seznam.cz"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">aze@seznam.cz</a>>
                      napsal:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">A muzete prozradit noveho
                      dodavatele? Resil jsem prechod nedavno...<br>
                      aze<br>
                      <br>
                      -----Původní zpráva----- <br>
                      From: Admin HWnews<br>
                      Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2023 5:31 PM<br>
                      To: <a href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: OT Spotové tarify<br>
                      <br>
                      Zrovna ted davam vypoved nenezranemu EONu...po 21
                      letech. V poslednich<br>
                      mesicich se cena pohybovala u meho noveho
                      dodavatele mezi 2000-2500Kc<br>
                      bez DPH za MWh.<br>
                      <br>
                      Tam kam pujdu je to takto:<br>
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                      Dne 02.08.2023 v 16:07 Martin Z<span
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                      napsal(a):<br>
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                      > Martin Z<span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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                      > Dne 2.8.2023 v 15:14 d.petr napsal(a):<br>
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