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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Pokud to takhle začne dělat většina
tÄ›ch co majĂ FVE, moĹľná to trochu rozdĂly mezi cenama zmĂrnĂ - ale
spĂš si myslĂm, Ĺľe na nÄ›jakĂ© ovlivnÄ›nĂ cen je to málo. Ale to by
taky znamenalo, Ĺľe tyhle baterky pomáhajĂ stabilizovat sĂĹĄ. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Co teda uĹľ dlouho tvrdĂm, Ĺľe jsou dva
typy elektráren, kterĂ© tu akumulaci nutnÄ› potĹ™ebujĂ. A to soláry +
vÄ›trnĂky a pak atomovĂ©. Na rozdĂl od solárĹŻ, kterĂ© dávajĂ energii
jen nÄ›kdy a jen pĹ™es den (kdy je ale i spotĹ™eba nejvyššĂ), atomovĂ©
majà stálý výkon a taky se nepřizpůsobà změnám zátěže během dne.
Energetici rádi mluvà o plynových elektrárnách. Jenže pokud budou
dostatečné kapacity na dlouhodobou i krátkodobou akumulaci,
plynovĂ© elektrárny nebudou potĹ™eba. TeÄŹ se to dohánĂ vodnĂma a
pĹ™eÄŤerpávaÄŤkama, ale to nestaÄŤĂ. Trochu se to srovná aĹľ se bude
nabĂjet vĂc elektroaut a mluvĂ se i o tom, Ĺľe v "chyrĂ©" sĂti lidi
ušetřà na tom, když budou pouštět třeba pračky a myčky v době
levnějšà energie. To taky pomůže té nedostatečné akumulaci.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">MyslĂm, Ĺľe solárnĂ baroni uĹľ z nás
nebudou, ale ta spousta FVE, co se teÄŹ stavĂ, má smysl.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Anděl <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 03.08.2023 v 17:09
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nÄ›jakou tisĂcovku hodĂ, ale bĂ˝valo to lepšà – trh se pomalu
posouvá a podobných elektráren hodně přibylo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">hw-list@list.hw.cz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT Spotové tarify<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ZatĂm to nemám v provozu a tedy nemám
zkušenosti, ale předpokládám, že v rámci možnostà budu
vyuĹľĂvat baterku. Dávat energii do sĂtÄ›, kdyĹľ je nejdražšà -
tedy ve špičkách. Problém baterky je, že pokud se nebude
vyuĹľĂvat tak, aby kaĹľdĂ˝ den udÄ›lala jeden cykl, uplyne jejĂ
časem omezená životnost (prý 15 let), aniž by se využila
jejĂ Ĺľivotnost v poÄŤtu cyklĹŻ. TakĹľe kdyĹľ si spoÄŤĂtáte cenu
akumulované energie jen při běžném chodu domácnosti, vyjdou
vám docela šĂlenĂ© ceny. Ale pokud vám baterku z vÄ›tšà části
zaplatila dotace, nenĂ to s tou ekonomikou provozu tak
špatné :-) Samosřejmě že ani se spotovýma cenama to na
nÄ›jakĂ˝ vÄ›tšà vĂ˝dÄ›lek nenĂ. Baterka je za 2 hodiny nabitá a
pak už nenà energii kam dávat. S baterkou ze starého
elektroauta cca 60 KWh a za levno by to bylo zajĂmavÄ›jšĂ.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tak nÄ›jak nevĂm, jak by se vyplatily ty
spotovĂ© ceny, kdyĹľ mám FVE. Pokud svĂtĂ, je elektĹ™ina
zadarmo nebo za zápornĂ© ceny, takĹľe dodávka do sĂtÄ› by se
mi nevyplatila, a pokud nesvĂtĂ, zaplatil bych as vĂc neĹľ
současnou fixovanou cenu. Lepšà se mi jevà ukládat
přebytky v rámci tarifu pro soláry.  Mimochodem, jak se
Ĺ™ešĂ v pĹ™ĂpadÄ› domácĂ malĂ© FVE ty zápornĂ© ceny ?  <o:p></o:p></p>
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Jirka SloupenskĂ˝ Â OK1MWW<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ÄŤt 3. 8. 2023 v 9:21 odesĂlatel AZe
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<p class="MsoNormal">A muzete prozradit noveho dodavatele?
Resil jsem prechod nedavno...<br>
aze<br>
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Subject: Re: OT Spotové tarify<br>
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Zrovna ted davam vypoved nenezranemu EONu...po 21
letech. V poslednich<br>
mesicich se cena pohybovala u meho noveho dodavatele
mezi 2000-2500Kc<br>
bez DPH za MWh.<br>
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Tam kam pujdu je to takto:<br>
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Celkov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
cena z<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>kazn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ka
pro dan<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>c
se odv<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>j<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
od hodinov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
cen<br>
velkoobchodn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho
trhu a hodinov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
odb<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>r<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
dan<span
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odb<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>rn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>sta.
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>rn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>st,
u kter<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
nedoch<span
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k pr<span
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
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m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>en<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
spot<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>eby,
bude celkov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
spot<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>eba
dan<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho<br>
z<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>tovac<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho
obdob<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
rozpo<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>t<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>na
na z<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>klad<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
platn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
distribu<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
sazby a<br>
odpov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>daj<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>c<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho
typov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ho
diagramu dod<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>vek
(TDD),<br>
kter<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
zve<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ej<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>uje
na sv<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
pr<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>b<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>tor
trhu, spole<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>nost<br>
OTE a.s. (<a href="http://www.ote.cz" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.ote.cz</a>).<br>
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Pchc365 = Pote * FXcnb * k + D<br>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
cena v p<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>slu<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>nou
hodinu dod<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>vky,
zve<span
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span><br>
oper<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>torem
(v EUR/MWh) na str<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>nk<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch<br>
<a
href="https://www.ote-cr.cz/cs/kratkodobe-trhy/elektrina/denni-trh"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ote-cr.cz/cs/kratkodobe-trhy/elektrina/denni-trh</a><br>
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FXcnb - denn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
kurz CNB (v CZK/EUR)<br>
<br>
k - koeficient strukturov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>,
k = 1,025<br>
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D - ekvivalent transak<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
n<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>klad<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
a ostatn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
slu<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>eb
spojen<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ch
s<br>
dod<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>vkou,
D = 210 K<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>/MWh<br>
<br>
RV<br>
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Dne 02.08.2023 v 16:07 Martin Z<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ruba
napsal(a):<br>
> Nojo, jen<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>e
pak nem<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>ete
vyu<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>t
toho, <span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>e
nap<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>.
od 4 do 6ti hodin je <br>
> z<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>porn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
cena silov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
elekt<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>iny.
Ob<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>v<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
se, <span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>e
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
pr<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>r
se nebude moc <br>
> li<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>it
od pevn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
ceny a bude n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>kde
na 3 K<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>/kWh.<br>
><br>
> Martin Z<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ruba<br>
><br>
> Dne 2.8.2023 v 15:14 d.petr napsal(a):<br>
>> Skute<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
spot u<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
tu dost popsali jin<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>.
Je pravda, <span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>e
dneska si ho, <br>
>> mysl<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m,
nejde po<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>dit
dom<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>,
pokud nem<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>te
elektrom<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>r
s pr<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>b<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>hov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>en<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
<br>
>> (n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>jak<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
na<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>zen<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
vl<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>dy).
A proto n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>kte<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>
dodavatel<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
nab<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>zej<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
tarif na <br>
>> m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>n<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
fixaci: nev<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m,
jak to p<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>esn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
naz<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>vaj<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>,
ale ceny vpodstat<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
<br>
>> odpov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>daj<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
spotov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
cen<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m,
jen je ta cena m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>c
stejn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
a na dal<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>
m<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>c
<br>
>> se zafixuje cena nov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>.
A taky je snad v<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>pov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>dn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
doba 1 m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>s<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>c.
T<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>
t<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
<br>
>> tedy simuluj<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
spot, ale obejdou vl<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>dn<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
z<span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>kazy/p<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>kazy
(a m<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>la
by ta <br>
>> smlouva j<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>t
uzav<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>t
i se star<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>m
elektrom<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>rem).
Podrobnosti, kdy<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
tak, <br>
>> rad<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>ji
je<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>t<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ďż˝</span>
ov<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">��</span>it
na internetu.<br>
>> P.<br>
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