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    <p>Pokud máme porovnávat porovnatelné, tak na fotovoltaické straně 
      budou panely, měnič/regulátor pro topnou spirálu, jištění a
      ochrana panelů.</p>
    <p>Rozhodně tam nebude baterie, nebude tam měnič fázovaný do sítě,
      4Q elektroměr atd.</p>
    <p>Petr<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 17. 06. 22 v 9:21 Dodo Racek
      napsal(a):<br>
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        <div>Prezradite, co podla vas znamena "porovnat stejne systemy"
          ?</div>
        <div>Predpokladam, ze 2 presne rovnake asi nie ...</div>
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        <div>Dodo<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">pi 17. 6. 2022 o 8:14 Pavel
          Urbančík <<a href="mailto:hw@itherm.cz"
            moz-do-not-send="true">hw@itherm.cz</a>> napísal(a):<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Zkuste porovnat
                  stejne systemy </span><span
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                  Emoji",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">😊</span><span
                  lang="EN-US"></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ohrev vody vs
                  ohrev vody</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Hw-list <<a
                      href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</a>>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dodo Racek<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> pátek 17. června 2022 8:02<br>
                    <b>To:</b> HW-news <<a
                      href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz" target="_blank"
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                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: soláry a solární ohřev vody</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">(Nielen) Tam ludia chapu ( aj
                      financne ), co je to ucinnost.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Ucinnosti na optickej konverzii
                      zo ziarenia na:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- teplo ( termika ) cca 81 % na
                      paneloch</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- fotovoltanika max cca 21 %</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">To netvrdim ja, ale vyrobcovia
                      panelov ( jednych aj druhych), ktori si dali svoje
                      ucinnosti overit v certifikovanych skusobniach a
                      uvadzaju ich vo svojich materialoch ku kolektorom
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Najdite si to tam, aj ked to
                      niekedy nie je ako toto cislo priamo uvedene, ale
                      zaobalene napr. v tvare 210 W/m^2 podla metodiky
                      xyz  - ktora v malej poznamke pod ciarou hovori o
                      predpoklade dopadu 1000W na m^2 )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Najcastejsie pouzivane
                      overovania parametrov su 2 metodiky ( jedna rata s
                      dopadom ziarenia 1000W/m^2 a druha rata s 900W/m^2
                      )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Termika je uz na konverzii zo
                      ziarenia 4x ucinnejsia... </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Tu je "elektrikarska
                      konferencia", takze vsetko _elektricke_ je v
                      ociach clenov:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- lacne</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- nezporuchove</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- bezudrzbove</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- najlepsie</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">a vsetko ine je:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- zlozite</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- drahe</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- narocne na udrzbu</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- fuj</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">V reale je to ale inak ... </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Spolahlivost:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Co sa moze pokazit na termike?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- 1 rurka v kolektore - asi nie</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- starnutie kolektorov ? -
                      minimalne</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- rurky smerom k bojleru - asi
                      nie</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- rurka/had v bojleri - asi nie</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- cerpadlo</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- riadenie ( voci FV uplne
                      jednoduche, v extremnom minime nudzovo staci rucny
                      vypinac zapni/vypni cerpadlo... )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Vyriesena je aj akumulacia -
                      bojler</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Stav po (ne)vhodnom zasahu
                      blesku - max vymena regulatora a cerpadla v cene
                      cca 150 Eur</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Co sa moze pokazit na FV:</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- kolektory ( su to istym
                      sposobom polovodice - diody, kolko ich tam je ? +
                      zopakovanie matiky a vypocet strednej doby
                      bezporuchovej prevadzky seriovo radenych prvkov
                      ...  )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- starnutie kolektorov</p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- kable - asi nie</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- regulator ( zlozitejsi,
                      namahane vykonove prvky, nenahraditelny nicim
                      jednoduchym  )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- Akumulacia - neista, draha
                      hned, alebo/a draha potencialne:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- - Baterky ? ( nadobudacia
                      cena navyse, starnutie, potrebna vymena po case
                      ... )</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">- - Virtualna baterka
                      distributora ? ( v prvom kroku v zmluve uvedene 
                      "za uctovacie obdobie" - naivne 1 rok ( lebo to
                      lepsie vychadza a doteraz bolo zuctovacie obdobie
                      1 rok !), riziko pri nutnej vymene elektromera za
                      4-kvadrantovy-> elektromer so vzdialenym
                      odpoctom a lusknutim prstov zuctovacie obdobie 1
                      Mesiac :-) a navratnost v **** + distributor ma
                      vasu elektriku zadarmo, alebo prerabate na
                      akumulaciu v baterkach a zdvojnasobujete cenu
                      investicie + mozno vymena regulatora za iny, ktory
                      vie aj baterky... a navratnost 2x v ****.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Stav po (ne)vhodnom zasahu
                      blesku - kompletna vymena v cene blizkej
                      nadobudacej x000 Eur.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Vsetci, ktori sa bijete do prs,
                      ze mate super bleskozvody a nic sa nemoze stat si
                      najskor zoberte reviznu spravu z poslednej revizie
                      bleskozvodu ... </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">pozrite sa na datum, kedy bola
                      spravena a aky rok je aktualne v kalendari...</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Priame prepojenie FV panelov a
                      spiraly ? Mizernu maximalnu teoreticku ucinnost FV
                      panelov este zdegradujete na jej zlomok statickou
                      zatazou ( odporovou spiralou ).</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Co vas vsetkych na tom laka ?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dodo</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">št 16. 6. 2022 o 23:09 <<a
                        href="mailto:jozem@volny.cz" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">jozem@volny.cz</a>>
                      napísal(a):</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Zrovna jsme na Madeiře a
                            na skoro každém rodináči jsou výměníky a
                            akumulační nádrž na vodu. Plocha výměníků se
                            různí, ale ohřev přes fotovoltaiku jsem
                            zatím nikde tady nepotkal. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Podle všeho s tím mají
                            bohaté zkušenosti a vědí co dělají.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Jo, podmínky jsou
                            příznivější, ale tím spíš by jim nižší
                            účinnost "dvojí konverze" neměla vadit.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Fotovoltaika je vidět
                            opravdu málo, ale ty výměníky jsou naprosto
                            všude.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Zeman</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dne 12. 6. 2022 11:06
                            napsal uživatel Tomas Chvatal <<a
                              href="mailto:tchvatal@fordiag.cz"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tchvatal@fordiag.cz</a>>:</p>
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                            <p>Ano, je dana min.vzdalenost. <br>
                              <a
href="http://www.odbornecasopisy.cz/elektro/casopis/tema/fotovoltaicka-zarizeni-aneb-ochrana-pred-bleskem-v-praxi--11007"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.odbornecasopisy.cz/elektro/casopis/tema/fotovoltaicka-zarizeni-aneb-ochrana-pred-bleskem-v-praxi--11007</a>
                              <br>
                              <a
href="https://oze.tzb-info.cz/fotovoltaika/3593-ochrana-pred-bleskem-a-prepetim-pro-solarni-clanky"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://oze.tzb-info.cz/fotovoltaika/3593-ochrana-pred-bleskem-a-prepetim-pro-solarni-clanky</a>
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                              s přáním hezkého dne / best regards <br>
                              Tomáš Chvátal <br>
                              <a href="mailto:tchvatal@fordiag.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tchvatal@fordiag.cz</a>
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                              Odesláno: 12. června 2022 11:15 <br>
                              Předmět: Re: soláry a solární ohřev vody <br>
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                              <br>
                              Toto téma mě velmi zaujalo a tak jsem
                              začal přemýšlet. Určitě nemám větší <br>
                              ambice, než ten ohřev vody. Pro regulaci
                              bych nejspíš využil regulátor <br>
                              MR4316AC NG a možná bych to vzal jako
                              stavebnici. Panely bych umístil <br>
                              nejspíš svisle na stěnu. Druhou možností
                              je pomocná konstruce a panely by <br>
                              tvořily "stříšku". <br>
                              Ale život je plný slepých uliček, tak by
                              mě zajímalo, jestli má někdo s <br>
                              daným typem regulátoru zkušenost. Hlavně
                              mě zajímají ty negativní. <br>
                              Druhá otázka se týká umístění panelů,
                              resp. přepěťovou ochranou. V obou <br>
                              případech by byly panely umístěny pod
                              dolním okrajem střechy, ale netuším, <br>
                              jestli by nevadilo, že v jejich blízkosti
                              vedou svody od hromosvodů. Resp. <br>
                              je dána nějaká minimální vzdálenost? <br>
                              Král <br>
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