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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">A muzete napsat, jaky mate tarif? Ja
      mam d45D tusim u CEZ a rozdil NT/VT je naprosto zanedbatelny,
      nechci hledat fakturu ale tak par desitek haleru.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Takze to neresim ani pro topeni (TC),
      celkova spotreba za minulou sezonu asi 11MWh, zaplaceno asi 33kKc.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ono se to bude asi brzo dost dynamicky
      menit, az se nasadi vic solaru do site, podle mracku atd ;-)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dne 11.01.2022 v 10:09 Jirka Mww
      napsal(a):<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Pořád jsem jsem jen  ve stadiu úvah . Mám zatím jen
        jednu nezávaznou nabídku na 12 panelů, 4.5kWp a 9kWh baterky za
        204 000 Kč včetně všeho papírování.  Ale váhám, jestli do toho
        jít.  Celkovou spotřebu má náš velký dvougenerační dům cca 6MWh 
        ve vysokém tarifu a 2.5MWh  v nízkém tarifu. To je v podstatě
        jen bojler a filtrace v bazénu.  Nic jiného na ten nízký tarif
        nezapíná.  Musím si udělat nějakou excelovou tabulku , do které
        to všechno shrnu, ale potřeboval bych nejdřív nějaká data o
        spotřebě v čase , jak přes den tak  v roce, aby to celé dalo
        smysl.  Proto by mě zajímalo to čtení elektroměru.  Nebo možná i
        podružný elektroměr do rozvaděče s nějakou RS485 , abych to mohl
        číst a ukládat.  Ještě to musím promyslet.  Taky by bylo
        zajímavé spočítat, jestli by se vyplatilo nabíjet v zimě, když
        FVE nic nedává,  ty baterky ze sítě v době nízkého tarifu, který
        je cca 3x levnější než vysoký tarif.  <br clear="all">
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">po 10. 1. 2022 v 17:35
          odesílatel Vláďa Anděl <<a
            href="mailto:vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz</a>>
          napsal:<br>
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            <div>Mohu se jen tak orientačně zeptat, za kolik to dneska
              dělají? Teda pokud vám to dělá někdo jiný, než ČEZ. U ČEZu
              jsou ty ceny nehorázné. Uvažuju o FV cca 5-6 KWp, ale bez
              baterky, jen měnič do sítě.</div>
            <div>Anděl</div>
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            </div>
            <div>Dne 10.1.2022 v 16:50 Jirka Mww napsal(a):<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Díky, tahle informace o sklonu a azimutu mi
                nějak unikla.   Mám nabídku na 4.5kWp , teď řeším jestli
                do toho půjdu a kam to dám.  
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                    <div dir="ltr">Zdravi<br>
                      Jirka Sloupenský  OK1MWW</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">po 10. 1. 2022 v 15:53
                  odesílatel AZe <<a href="mailto:aze@seznam.cz"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">aze@seznam.cz</a>>
                  napsal:<br>
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                        <div>Skoro přesně na jih, cca 45°. V okolí není
                          nic, co by stínilo.</div>
                        <div>aze</div>
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                              <div><b>From:</b> <a
                                  title="jirka.mww@gmail.com"
                                  href="mailto:jirka.mww@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Jirka
                                  Mww</a> </div>
                              <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 09, 2022
                                9:28 AM</div>
                              <div><b>To:</b> <a
                                  title="hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                  href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">HW-news</a>
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                              <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: FVE - základní
                                poznatky</div>
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                          <div>Tohle mě zajímá, mám nabídku taky na
                            4,8kWp, kam to máte smerovane a pod jakým
                            úhlem sklonu? </div>
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                            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">Dne so 8.
                              led 2022 22:38 uživatel AZE <<a
                                href="mailto:aze@seznam.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">aze@seznam.cz</a>>
                              napsal:<br>
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                                    <div>FVE 5 kWp, monokrystaly, 
                                      prosinec 2021 150 kWh...</div>
                                    <div>aze</div>
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style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
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                                          <div><b>From:</b> <a
                                              title="honza.kuba@gmail.com"
href="mailto:honza.kuba@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">Jan
                                              Kuba</a> </div>
                                          <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
                                            January 08, 2022 9:06 PM</div>
                                          <div><b>To:</b> <a
                                              title="hw-list@list.hw.cz"
href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">HW-news</a>
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                                          <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: FVE -
                                            základní poznatky</div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Já tomu stále
                                        nerozumím.... co chcete v zimě z
                                        té FV napájet a kdy?
                                        <div>Kolega , co má
                                          instalovaných 10kW ( špičkový
                                          výkon ) mi za loňský rok
                                          prezentoval data z výroby.</div>
                                        <div>Mimochodem víte kolik
                                          panelů je  třeba na 10kWh? </div>
                                        <div>Vyrobilo mu to za rok 11,8
                                          MWh  , z toho za  prosinec,
                                          leden, únor   jen 190kWh . To
                                          je v průměru 63kWh/měsíc.</div>
                                        <div>Neboli  2kWh/den. A to ne
                                          stále, jsou dny co nic a pak
                                          to za den udělá ranec, když je
                                          jasno.</div>
                                        <div>Pravda je, že tam občas (
                                          pár dnů )  měl sníh a byl líný
                                          ho sundavat.</div>
                                        <div>Tohle opravdu je k ničemu,
                                          v zimě to NEFUNGUJE,
                                          NEFUNGUJE, NEFUNGUJE!</div>
                                        <div>Když tím budu dotápět vodu
                                          v boileru tak mám v kapse v
                                          průměru 10-15 kč/den (v zimě)
                                          - má to smysl? </div>
                                        <div>Už vůbec ale nechápu to TČ.</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>Já s tím mám osobní
                                          zkušenost u jednoho ostrovního
                                          systému ( Wifi "repeater") kde
                                          je spotřeba okolo 5W.</div>
                                        <div>Je tam jeden 200W panel a 
                                          i s baterií 12V/200Ah to
                                          nepřežije jediný zimní měsíc.</div>
                                        <div>Od dubna  do října tam je
                                          naopak skoro trvale dobito.</div>
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                                        <div class="gmail_attr"
                                          dir="ltr">so 8. 1. 2022 v
                                          20:20 odesílatel Vláďa Anděl
                                          <<a
                                            href="mailto:vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz"
                                            rel="noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz</a>>
                                          napsal:<br>
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                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                          rgb(204,204,204)">Taky jsme
                                          uvažovali k přítelkyni dát
                                          svislé panely, aby dělaly
                                          nejvíc <br>
                                          energie v zimě. Má TČ s
                                          frekvenčním měničem, takže by
                                          se paralelně k <br>
                                          usměrněnému napětí ze sítě
                                          připojil výstup 550V z MPPT ze
                                          solárů. Tím <br>
                                          odpadne starost s přetokama do
                                          sítě a veškerá energie by se
                                          využila pro <br>
                                          topení. Má barák s plochou
                                          střechou a pokud by byla
                                          neprůchodná varianta <br>
                                          s panely vodorovně na střeše,
                                          přes léto cpát energii do sítě
                                          a v zimě si <br>
                                          ji brát na topení, tohle by
                                          byla alternativa. Jenže na
                                          jižní stěnu nad <br>
                                          oknama a okolo oken se těch
                                          panelů moc nevejde a když
                                          vidím, jak je v <br>
                                          zimě krátký den a že málo kdy
                                          sluníčko vyleze, nejspíš by to
                                          byly <br>
                                          vyhozené peníze.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Anděl<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Dne 8.1.2022 v 15:36 Martin
                                          Záruba napsal(a):<br>
                                          > Jednoznačně je
                                          východ-západ výhoda. V zimě je
                                          to skoro jedno a v létě <br>
                                          > máte výkon rozložený v
                                          rámci dne. Myslím, že z toho
                                          je jediná výjímka, <br>
                                          > a to pokud máte
                                          elektromobil. Pak je jakákoli
                                          FVE malá a chcete z ní <br>
                                          > proto vymačkat co jde.<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Martin Záruba<br>
                                          ><br>
                                          > Dne 7.1.2022 v 15:50
                                          Josef Šíp napsal(a):<br>
                                          >> Jde to spočítat,
                                          můžete porovnávat optimalni
                                          umisteni s Vasimi <br>
                                          >> moznostmi montaze<br>
                                          >> <a
                                            href="https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP"
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                                          >> Osobne bych
                                          vychod/zapad videl jako
                                          vyhodu....<br>
                                          >> J.S.<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> -----Original
                                          Message-----<br>
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                                          >> Subject: RE: FVE -
                                          základní poznatky<br>
                                          >><br>
                                          >> Taky jsem se dostal
                                          do fáze otázek, jestli ano
                                          nebo ne. Můj základní <br>
                                          >> problém je orientace
                                          domu. Jedna strana střechy je
                                          na východ, druhá <br>
                                          >> na západ. Pak je
                                          ještě možnost využít stěnu
                                          směrem na jih. Co si <br>
                                          >> myslíte o té svislé
                                          instalaci? Při svých cestách
                                          jsem to někde viděl, <br>
                                          >> ale abych se mohl
                                          zeptat na zkušenosti, musím si
                                          vzpomenout, kde to <br>
                                          >> bylo.<br>
                                          >> Král<br>
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