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    Dodatok:<br>
    pripadne si kupte ine zapalovacie trafo, napr:<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.avelmak.sk/index.php?pg=srch&vyraz=zapal%20tra">http://www.avelmak.sk/index.php?pg=srch&vyraz=zapal%20tra</a><br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=467&pg=det&article=69579">http://www.avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=467&pg=det&article=69579</a><br>
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    ten ma tiez dva vystupy (aj ked vy potrebujete len jeden) a skusit
    to s nim.<br>
    <br>
    Richard Kaliciak<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.12.2019 um 16:02 schrieb Richard
      Kaliciak:<br>
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      Dobry den,<br>
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      na tretom obrazku s popiskami vydim T. 120°C. Obavam sa, ze bude
      prerusena prave tato integrovana tepelna poistka.<br>
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      Richard Kaliciak<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.12.2019 um 15:56 schrieb Jan
        Půhoný:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">No právě to je to co nechápu. V tom kotli je jen
          kabel z vývodu 1 na tu svíčku. Druhý pól svíčky je na kostru.
          Ten konektor 2 byl v kotli nezapojený. Takto to bylo z výroby
          a kotel takto fungoval.
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          <div>Takto jsem to teď měřil. Mezi 1 - 2 měřák a do primáru DC
            3V impulsně a nic to nedělá. Ručička se trochu hýbe na
            rozsahu 2,5V. Ten MP je normálně funkční. Ještě jsem teď
            měřil vypájený C105 a má 0,78uF což odpovídá.</div>
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                        <div>HP</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">út 10. 12. 2019 v 9:58
            odesílatel Petr Zapadlo <<a href="mailto:zapik@email.cz"
              moz-do-not-send="true">zapik@email.cz</a>> napsal:<br>
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              <p>Jestliže je mezi vývody 1 a 2  těch 650R, pak bude
                druhá cívka mezi těmito vývody.  Nechybí vám kabel z
                vývodu 2 na zem?</p>
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              <p>Zkuste vzít váš měřák a zapojit ho mezi 1 a 2, a  do
                primáru pustit napětí z třeba 2V. <br>
              </p>
              <p>Co to udělá?</p>
              <p>Petr<br>
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              <div>Dne 10.12.2019 v 09:36 Jan Půhoný napsal(a):<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Tak proto jsem tam dal analog s rozsahem
                  2000V a jen škrtal o ty piny na primáru :-) Čekal jsem
                  alespoň nějakou výchylku, ale až na rozsahu 2V se
                  ručka trochu hla ...
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">út 10. 12. 2019
                    v 8:54 odesílatel Zuffa Jan <<a
                      href="mailto:ZuffaJ@cgc.sk" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">ZuffaJ@cgc.sk</a>>
                    napsal:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">To
                            je celkom dobra metoda merania.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Keby
                            tam bol pripojeny merak digitalny, tak uz je
                            po nom</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">:)</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">j.</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                              style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Hw-list [mailto:<a
                              href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan Puhoný<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> 10. decembra 2019 8:47<br>
                            <b>To:</b> HW-news<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: Kotel Viessmann Vitodens
                            základní deska - nestartuje, chyba FF</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Mezi vývody 1 a 2
                              (konektory na horní straně trafa) je 650R.
                              To by tak asi mělo být? Mě mate ten
                              nekonečný odpor mezi těmi piny, přijde mi,
                              že tam byly jakoby dvě cívky zapojení do
                              série (podle motivu DPS) a jedna je jakoby
                              přerušená.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Pokud dám mezi vývody
                              (konektory) 1 a 2 ručkový voltmetr a
                              brnkám DC napětím 30V mezi vývody kde je
                              mezi nimi těch 0,17R tak tam je nepatrná
                              výchylka na DC i AC rozsahu (řádově 2V).To
                              mi přijde málo.</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Ostatní vyzkouším
                                večer nebo zítra. Blbě se to testuje,
                                protože tu desku musím vždycky zase
                                zapojit do kotle, jinak to nenajede
                                (skončí to chybou řady čidel, která když
                                nejsou připojená tak se to k sekvenci
                                zapalování samozřejmě vůbec nedostane).</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">HP</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">út 10. 12. 2019
                                v 6:56 odesílatel Petr Zapadlo <<a
                                  href="mailto:zapik@email.cz"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">zapik@email.cz</a>>
                                napsal:</p>
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                                <p>Mezi vývody 1 a 2 nějaký odpor
                                  (vinutí) není?</p>
                                <p>Pokud je to tak jak malujete, tak
                                  bych řekl že je problém téměř 100% v
                                  trafu. Nemáte po ruce zapalovací cívku
                                  za nějakého motoru?  Ta by mohla
                                  udělat stejnou práci. Když jsem kdysi
                                  stavěl elektronická zapalování, tak
                                  jsem do cívky (původně 12V) vybíjel
                                  kondenzátor 1u nabitý cca 400 - 800V.
                                  A bez problémů tento režim snášely.  U
                                  vás by to mělo být prakticky stejné. </p>
                                <p>Pokud nemůžete to trafo najít, tak
                                  bych se podíval mezi náhradní díly na
                                  plynové varné desky - tam bude použito
                                  něco podobného, třeba (namátkou
                                  vybráno):</p>
                                <p><a
href="https://www.nadeta.cz/nahradni-dily/sporaky/zapalovani/zapalovac-4-vyvody-ovladani-vnz-mora-4200-4210-%5Bid%3D12711%5D.html?ItemIdx=16"
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                                <p>A nebo se podívat po zapalovací cívce
                                  z nějakého malého motoru, sice to
                                  nepujde do desky ale fungovat by to
                                  mělo. Aspoň ověříte, že je problém
                                  někde jinde.</p>
                                <p>Petr</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dne 10.12.2019 v
                                    00:15 Jan Půhoný napsal(a):</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Tak jsem
                                        vyndal trafo z desky. Tak jak je
                                        zapojené, tak má jedno vinutí
                                        jakoby nekonečný odpor (naměřil
                                        jsem 7MOhm). Může to být
                                        problém? Má tam být vůbec
                                        vinutí? Co jsem naměřil jsem
                                        označil do malůvky. 7MOhm a
                                        0,17Ohm. </p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Absolutně
                                          se mi nedaří to trafo podle
                                          čísel na něm najít. Napadá
                                          někoho něco?</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">A ještě
                                          nechápu jednu věc (jsem VN
                                          nepolíbený, tak se omlouvám za
                                          možná hloupé dotazy):</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Trafíčko má
                                          na výstupu  (na horní straně)
                                          2 konektory. Označené 1 a 2.
                                          Jiskřiště (svíčka) byla
                                          připojena jen ke konektoru 1
                                          jednožilovým vodičem. Kudy se
                                          uzavírá obvod? Na co je ten
                                          druhý konektor 2? Logicky přes
                                          kostru ale to to VN vinutí
                                          není galvanicky oddělené od
                                          toho budícího?</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Ptám se
                                          jako pako, ale fakt nemůžu
                                          najít datasheet k tomu krámu.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Překreslil
                                          jsem kousek desky kolem trafa.
                                          Potřeboval bych potvrdit nebo
                                          vyvrátit moji domněnku o
                                          přerušeném vinutí.</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Foto trafa,
                                          desky s vypájeným trafem a
                                          malůvka je zde: <a
                                            href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/oUHh4rbRgMSRzJfTA"
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Díky moc,</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Honza
                                          Půhoný</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">so 7. 12.
                                          2019 v 20:21 odesílatel Glajc
                                          Pavel <<a
                                            href="mailto:pavel.glajc@del.cz"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">pavel.glajc@del.cz</a>>
                                          napsal:</p>
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                                          Myslím, že tohle je pro úplně
                                          jinou konstrukci a ne trafo do
                                          DPS.<br>
                                          Pokud nám tazatel nafotí i
                                          spodek desky můžeme dál směle
                                          diskutovat.<br>
                                          Jinak je to vaření z vody...<br>
                                          pg<br>
                                          <br>
                                           <br>
                                          ----- Původní zpráva -----<br>
                                          Odesilatel: Petr Labaj (<a
                                            href="mailto:labaj@volny.cz"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">labaj@volny.cz</a>)<br>
                                          Datum: 07.12.2019 20:12<br>
                                          Příjemce: <a
                                            href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz"
                                            target="_blank"
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                                          Předmět: Re: Kotel Viessmann
                                          Vitodens základní deska -
                                          nestartuje, chyba FF<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Nojo, ale třeba tady u
                                          zapalovacího trafa píšou vstup
                                          230V/50 Hz.<br>
                                          <a
                                            href="http://www.satronic.cz/Katalogy/ZT870_CZ.pdf"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.satronic.cz/Katalogy/ZT870_CZ.pdf</a><br>
                                          Tak to by spíš napovídalo, že
                                          nějaká elektronika (pokud
                                          vůbec) je vevnitř.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          PL<br>
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                                          ***********************<br>
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                                          Dne 7.12.2019 v 20:06 Glajc
                                          Pavel napsal(a):<br>
                                          > Asi by to chtělo foto
                                          zespodu desky, ale zapalovací
                                          obvod bývá řešen obdobně jako
                                          zapalovací obvod fotoblesku.<br>
                                          > Z napětí okolo 200V (síť)
                                          se přes diodu nabije
                                          kondenzátor a ten se při
                                          sepnutí tyristoru vybije do
                                          primáru trafa. Výhoda je v
                                          jednoduchosti zapojení a
                                          slušné energii jiskry. Foto z
                                          horního pohledu tomu odpovídá.<br>
                                          > pg<br>
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