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    Dobry den,<br>
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    na tretom obrazku s popiskami vydim T. 120°C. Obavam sa, ze bude
    prerusena prave tato integrovana tepelna poistka.<br>
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    Richard Kaliciak<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.12.2019 um 15:56 schrieb Jan
      Půhoný:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">No právě to je to co nechápu. V tom kotli je jen
        kabel z vývodu 1 na tu svíčku. Druhý pól svíčky je na kostru.
        Ten konektor 2 byl v kotli nezapojený. Takto to bylo z výroby a
        kotel takto fungoval.
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        <div>Takto jsem to teď měřil. Mezi 1 - 2 měřák a do primáru DC
          3V impulsně a nic to nedělá. Ručička se trochu hýbe na rozsahu
          2,5V. Ten MP je normálně funkční. Ještě jsem teď měřil
          vypájený C105 a má 0,78uF což odpovídá.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">út 10. 12. 2019 v 9:58
          odesílatel Petr Zapadlo <<a href="mailto:zapik@email.cz"
            moz-do-not-send="true">zapik@email.cz</a>> napsal:<br>
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            <p>Jestliže je mezi vývody 1 a 2  těch 650R, pak bude druhá
              cívka mezi těmito vývody.  Nechybí vám kabel z vývodu 2 na
              zem?</p>
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            <p>Zkuste vzít váš měřák a zapojit ho mezi 1 a 2, a  do
              primáru pustit napětí z třeba 2V. <br>
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            <p>Co to udělá?</p>
            <p>Petr<br>
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            <div>Dne 10.12.2019 v 09:36 Jan Půhoný napsal(a):<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Tak proto jsem tam dal analog s rozsahem
                2000V a jen škrtal o ty piny na primáru :-) Čekal jsem
                alespoň nějakou výchylku, ale až na rozsahu 2V se ručka
                trochu hla ...
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">út 10. 12. 2019 v 8:54
                  odesílatel Zuffa Jan <<a
                    href="mailto:ZuffaJ@cgc.sk" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">ZuffaJ@cgc.sk</a>> napsal:<br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">To
                          je celkom dobra metoda merania.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Keby
                          tam bol pripojeny merak digitalny, tak uz je
                          po nom</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Hw-list [mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan Puhoný<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 10. decembra 2019 8:47<br>
                          <b>To:</b> HW-news<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: Kotel Viessmann Vitodens
                          základní deska - nestartuje, chyba FF</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Mezi vývody 1 a 2
                            (konektory na horní straně trafa) je 650R.
                            To by tak asi mělo být? Mě mate ten
                            nekonečný odpor mezi těmi piny, přijde mi,
                            že tam byly jakoby dvě cívky zapojení do
                            série (podle motivu DPS) a jedna je jakoby
                            přerušená.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Pokud dám mezi vývody
                            (konektory) 1 a 2 ručkový voltmetr a brnkám
                            DC napětím 30V mezi vývody kde je mezi nimi
                            těch 0,17R tak tam je nepatrná výchylka na
                            DC i AC rozsahu (řádově 2V).To mi přijde
                            málo.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Ostatní vyzkouším večer
                              nebo zítra. Blbě se to testuje, protože tu
                              desku musím vždycky zase zapojit do kotle,
                              jinak to nenajede (skončí to chybou řady
                              čidel, která když nejsou připojená tak se
                              to k sekvenci zapalování samozřejmě vůbec
                              nedostane).</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">HP</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">út 10. 12. 2019 v 6:56
                              odesílatel Petr Zapadlo <<a
                                href="mailto:zapik@email.cz"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">zapik@email.cz</a>>
                              napsal:</p>
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                              <p>Mezi vývody 1 a 2 nějaký odpor (vinutí)
                                není?</p>
                              <p>Pokud je to tak jak malujete, tak bych
                                řekl že je problém téměř 100% v trafu.
                                Nemáte po ruce zapalovací cívku za
                                nějakého motoru?  Ta by mohla udělat
                                stejnou práci. Když jsem kdysi stavěl
                                elektronická zapalování, tak jsem do
                                cívky (původně 12V) vybíjel kondenzátor
                                1u nabitý cca 400 - 800V. A bez problémů
                                tento režim snášely.  U vás by to mělo
                                být prakticky stejné. </p>
                              <p>Pokud nemůžete to trafo najít, tak bych
                                se podíval mezi náhradní díly na plynové
                                varné desky - tam bude použito něco
                                podobného, třeba (namátkou vybráno):</p>
                              <p><a
href="https://www.nadeta.cz/nahradni-dily/sporaky/zapalovani/zapalovac-4-vyvody-ovladani-vnz-mora-4200-4210-%5Bid%3D12711%5D.html?ItemIdx=16"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nadeta.cz/nahradni-dily/sporaky/zapalovani/zapalovac-4-vyvody-ovladani-vnz-mora-4200-4210-%5Bid%3D12711%5D.html?ItemIdx=16</a></p>
                              <p>A nebo se podívat po zapalovací cívce z
                                nějakého malého motoru, sice to nepujde
                                do desky ale fungovat by to mělo. Aspoň
                                ověříte, že je problém někde jinde.</p>
                              <p>Petr</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Dne 10.12.2019 v
                                  00:15 Jan Půhoný napsal(a):</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Tak jsem vyndal
                                      trafo z desky. Tak jak je
                                      zapojené, tak má jedno vinutí
                                      jakoby nekonečný odpor (naměřil
                                      jsem 7MOhm). Může to být problém?
                                      Má tam být vůbec vinutí? Co jsem
                                      naměřil jsem označil do malůvky.
                                      7MOhm a 0,17Ohm. </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Absolutně se
                                        mi nedaří to trafo podle čísel
                                        na něm najít. Napadá někoho
                                        něco?</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">A ještě
                                        nechápu jednu věc (jsem VN
                                        nepolíbený, tak se omlouvám za
                                        možná hloupé dotazy):</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Trafíčko má
                                        na výstupu  (na horní straně) 2
                                        konektory. Označené 1 a 2.
                                        Jiskřiště (svíčka) byla
                                        připojena jen ke konektoru 1
                                        jednožilovým vodičem. Kudy se
                                        uzavírá obvod? Na co je ten
                                        druhý konektor 2? Logicky přes
                                        kostru ale to to VN vinutí není
                                        galvanicky oddělené od toho
                                        budícího?</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Ptám se jako
                                        pako, ale fakt nemůžu najít
                                        datasheet k tomu krámu.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Překreslil
                                        jsem kousek desky kolem trafa.
                                        Potřeboval bych potvrdit nebo
                                        vyvrátit moji domněnku o
                                        přerušeném vinutí.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Foto trafa,
                                        desky s vypájeným trafem a
                                        malůvka je zde: <a
                                          href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/oUHh4rbRgMSRzJfTA"
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Díky moc,</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Honza Půhoný</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">so 7. 12.
                                        2019 v 20:21 odesílatel Glajc
                                        Pavel <<a
                                          href="mailto:pavel.glajc@del.cz"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">pavel.glajc@del.cz</a>>
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                                        Myslím, že tohle je pro úplně
                                        jinou konstrukci a ne trafo do
                                        DPS.<br>
                                        Pokud nám tazatel nafotí i
                                        spodek desky můžeme dál směle
                                        diskutovat.<br>
                                        Jinak je to vaření z vody...<br>
                                        pg<br>
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                                        Datum: 07.12.2019 20:12<br>
                                        Příjemce: <a
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                                        Předmět: Re: Kotel Viessmann
                                        Vitodens základní deska -
                                        nestartuje, chyba FF<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Nojo, ale třeba tady u
                                        zapalovacího trafa píšou vstup
                                        230V/50 Hz.<br>
                                        <a
                                          href="http://www.satronic.cz/Katalogy/ZT870_CZ.pdf"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.satronic.cz/Katalogy/ZT870_CZ.pdf</a><br>
                                        Tak to by spíš napovídalo, že
                                        nějaká elektronika (pokud vůbec)
                                        je vevnitř.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        PL<br>
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                                        Dne 7.12.2019 v 20:06 Glajc
                                        Pavel napsal(a):<br>
                                        > Asi by to chtělo foto
                                        zespodu desky, ale zapalovací
                                        obvod bývá řešen obdobně jako
                                        zapalovací obvod fotoblesku.<br>
                                        > Z napětí okolo 200V (síť)
                                        se přes diodu nabije kondenzátor
                                        a ten se při sepnutí tyristoru
                                        vybije do primáru trafa. Výhoda
                                        je v jednoduchosti zapojení a
                                        slušné energii jiskry. Foto z
                                        horního pohledu tomu odpovídá.<br>
                                        > pg<br>
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