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      jo a Pionýr taky, až na to, že ten výsledek za směšovačem a za
      filtrem po zesílení  přímo žene do sluchátek :-)<br>
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      Když jsem byl před 30 lety na jednom táboře, tak jsem tam s tím
      poslouchal celé večery.<br>
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      No a dneska se k té koncepci vrací :-)<br>
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      Dne 19.9.2013 20:34, Jirka MWW napsal(a):<br>
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            <div>Takto, t.j. s IF 15kHz to má i transceiver Icom IC 9100
              .<br>
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            Viz např. tady, ve spodní půlce stránky :<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.radiocronache.com/tag/multibanda/">http://www.radiocronache.com/tag/multibanda/</a><br>
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          To rádio mám a funguje skvěle. V DSP se dají  nastavit filtry
          podle potřeby.<br>
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        Ale cenově to samozřejmě někde jinde.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Dne 19. září 2013 20:00 Jan Hovorka <span
            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:OK1CJH@seznam.cz" target="_blank">OK1CJH@seznam.cz</a>&gt;</span>
          napsal(a):<br>
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            <div>Zdravím,<br>
              <br>
              zajímavý web <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.sherweng.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sherweng.com/</a><br>
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              zde jsou srovnání RX <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.sherweng.com/table.html"
                target="_blank">http://www.sherweng.com/table.html</a><br>
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              Na druhém místě je KX3  (SDR TRX)<br>
              <br>
              Schéma je zde: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3SchematicDiagramDec2012.pdf"
                target="_blank">http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3SchematicDiagramDec2012.pdf</a><br>
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              fígl je právě v tom, že je tam směšovač a za ním NF filtr
              (low IF SDR), který na těch pár kHz (nejsem si jistý, ale
              asi 15 kHz) udělá takovou strmost, <br>
              jaká se u superhetu nedosáhne ani krystalovým filtrem. 
              Pokud jsou silné STN mimo propustné pásmo, tak AD
              převodník nezahltí.<br>
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              Další fígl je v tom, že se počítá s tím že vstupní signál
              je modulován šumem a využívá se tzv "over sampling",<br>
              takže se dosáhne většího rozlišení než jen 2^(bitů AD
              převodníku).<br>
              <br>
              <cite><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.atmel.com/images/doc8003.pdf"
                  target="_blank">www.atmel.com/images/doc8003.pdf</a><br>
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                Honza<br>
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              <p>---------- Původní zpráva ----------<br>
                Od: Andrej Jancura &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:aj.hwlist@gmail.com" target="_blank">aj.hwlist@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                Datum: 19. 9. 2013<br>
                Předmět: Re: Jaky KV prijimac nebo SDR radio?</p>
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                      <div>A este som zabudol pointu, pin SYNC ovladany
                        FPGA. Ale to asi nebude vhodne na hovorene
                        slovo.<br>
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                        <div>2013/9/19 Andrej Jancura <span>&lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:aj.hwlist@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">aj.hwlist@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                            <div>Mylis sa, niekto mudry vymyslel pin
                              SYNC... :)
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                                    <div>2013/9/19 Zuffa Jan <span>&lt;<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:ZuffaJ@cgc.sk"
                                          target="_blank">ZuffaJ@cgc.sk</a>&gt;</span><br>
                                      <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
                                        .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                        solid;padding-left:1ex">To  sa
                                        riesi<br>
                                        10-20 prevodnikmi vzajomne
                                        synchronizovanymi.<br>
                                        Ale to by bola pre amaterske SDR
                                        asi nedostupna cenova hladina<br>
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                                            j.<br>
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                                          On Behalf Of Balu<br>
                                          Sent: Thursday, September 19,
                                          2013 6:50 PM<br>
                                          To: HW-news<br>
                                          Subject: Re: Jaky KV prijimac
                                          nebo SDR radio?<br>
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                                          <div>Po privedeni signalu
                                            priamo na ad prevodnik vam
                                            to zahlti priamo ten
                                            prevodnik. Dynamicky rozsah
                                            je konecny a 24 bitove
                                            prevodniky beziace na
                                            desiatkach Msps zatial
                                            neexistuju (a myslim ze ani
                                            nikdy nebudu).<br>
                                            Neocakavajte zazraky,
                                            prirodu neochcijete :-)<br>
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                                            On 19.9.2013, at 17:33,
                                            Miroslav Mraz &lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:mraz@seznam.cz"
                                              target="_blank">mraz@seznam.cz</a>&gt;
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                            &gt; SDR mě taky před časem
                                            zaujalo. Dokonce mě
                                            překvapilo na jak
                                            jednoduchém hardware to
                                            dokáže vcelku uspokojivě
                                            fungovat. Možná stojí za to
                                            si vyzkoušet něco
                                            jednoduchého postavit.
                                            Člověk tím získává
                                            zkušenosti. Pak třeba
                                            zjistíte, že ty jednoduché
                                            čipsety co se teď vyrojily
                                            opravdu bez pořádného filtru
                                            na vstupu fungovat nemůžou,
                                            protože přijímač zahltí
                                            nějaký silný signál a je
                                            vymalováno. Tedy pokud má
                                            čipset analogový mixer.
                                            Řešením by asi bylo přivést
                                            signál z antény přímo na AD
                                            převodník a celou tu cestu
                                            udělat digitálně třeba ve
                                            FPGA. Což ty lepší a také
                                            dražší přijímače mají - on
                                            rychlý AD není zadarmo.
                                            Chtěl jsem si to také
                                            vyzkoušet, ale nějak z toho
                                            sešlo. Ne, že by nebyl čas,
                                            ale nejsem radioamatér,
                                            chvíli jsem poslouchal
                                            provoz na 80m a nějak jsem
                                            dospěl k závěru, že to nemá
                                            smysl.<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; Mrazík<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; On 09/19/2013 08:57 AM,
                                            Kuba Jan wrote:<br>
                                            &gt;&gt; Jasne, to je přesně
                                            to co jsem chtěl říct, s tou
                                            kličenkou do USB to bude
                                            jenom takové hrani.<br>
                                            &gt;&gt; Perseus a "dospělá"
                                            SDR  v podobné cenové relaci
                                            už jsou někde jinde<br>
                                            &gt;&gt; a bude to vždycky
                                            poslouchat :-)<br>
                                            &gt;&gt;<br>
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