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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tak to urcite neni ono, 12C508 je takova jednoducha
kolobezka s par registry, proste cisty RISC procesor, neni treba premyslet nad
milionem periferii.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michal Gregor</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=novotny.pp@atlas.cz href="mailto:novotny.pp@atlas.cz">Pavel
Novotny</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hw-list@list.hw.cz
href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">'HW-news'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: CPLD, FPGA vubec nic o tom
nevim</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Mrknete
k Silabu delaji x51 v pouzdrech 3x3mm a 4x4mm s 10 respektive 20piny. Neni to
sice uplne to same, na motaze typu vrabci hnizo nepouzitelne, ale rucne se to
osazovat da a vykonove to 12C508 prevalcuje min o tridu.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> <A
href="https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/automotive/Pages/C8051F52xA-53xA.aspx">https://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/automotive/Pages/C8051F52xA-53xA.aspx</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</A>
[mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Michal
HW<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
HW-news<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: CPLD, FPGA vubec nic o tom
nevim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Obecne x51 je velka
na male aplikace a na rozsahle SW je mala...</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Neni nad 12C508
krasny jendoduchy kousek kremiku....</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dela se neco
takoveho u jinych vyrobcu?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Gregor</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PS: co tak prepsat
predmet?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=novotny.pp@atlas.cz href="mailto:novotny.pp@atlas.cz">Pavel
Novotny</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=hw-list@list.hw.cz href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">'HW-news'</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday, March
11, 2009 12:12 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: CPLD, FPGA
vubec nic o tom nevim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Celkem souhlasim, ale jako skalni uzivatel x51 si dovolim
jednu poznamku,<BR>ten pametovy model to je pomsta Sithu nebo Sionistu
z Intelu, to proste<BR>musel vymyslet nejakeho cipa
syn.<BR>:-)<BR> <BR><BR>PN<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</A>
[mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz] On<BR>Behalf Of Jan Waclawek<BR>Sent:
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:34 AM<BR>To: HW-news<BR>Subject: Re: CPLD, FPGA
vubec nic o tom nevim<BR><BR>Ale nie, ono to nie je az take zle prirovnanie,
akurat ze '51 nema<BR>ekvivalent u aut. Vysvetlim.<BR><BR>Tie PIC a AVR a
'HC08 a ta rada od Renesasu co ju tu spomina Riso Kaliciak a<BR>Z8 - to
vsetko je ako s beznymi automobilkami. Obvykle ma automobila<BR>niekolko
podvozkovych platforiem - t.j. motor, podvozok, znacna cast<BR>elektriky,
nadrz a rozvod benzinu atd. su rovnake alebo malo odlisne (na<BR>rozdiel od
automobiliek sa kazdych 5 rokov nerobi imitacia inovacie, ale to<BR>nie je
podstatne) - a na to postavi rozne vrchy -
kabrio/kvazisportak,<BR>dvojdverak, stvordverak, patdverak, kombi, uzitkovy
minivan alebo pickup,<BR>alebo tie dnes moderne vysoke auta, neviem ako sa
im hovori.<BR><BR>No a predstavte si, ze sa cast automobiliek dohodne, a
zacnu - na zaklade<BR>trabanta - vyrabat jednotny podvozok. Spusta veci je
vzajomne zamenitelnych,<BR>zjednodusi sa servis, zlacni sa vyroba,
vyrobcovia si mozu navzajom<BR>vypomahat. Povodne robili aj rovnake resp.
velmi podobne nadstavby, a<BR>sortiment bol biedny - jediny dvojtaktny
motor, dve sedive bakelitove<BR>karoserie (stvordverak a kombi). Medzdicasom
vsak vznikli nove, moderne<BR>motory, vykonne, usporne; a nielenze sa da
vybrat zo vsetkych moznych<BR>nadstavieb, ale ten motor sa pouziva aj ako
maly motor tam kde treba -<BR>zalozne generatory, startovacie motory velkych
motorov, staticke motory<BR>cerpadiel atd. Trabant sa uz nerobi; je vsak
vyrobca, ktory tvrdi, ze on je<BR>ten jediny spravny co urcuje trend
spolocnej platformy (robi dobre auta,<BR>rychle, male, velke, vselijake, ale
su dost drahe). Vyrobcov vsak je stale<BR>dost, a je dostatok nahradnych
dielov aj servisov.<BR><BR>Bohuzial, ti, co tomu nerozumeju, si stale
myslia, ze je to stale ten<BR>original trabant s jeho neduhmi a nedostatkami
doby, ked vznikol.<BR><BR>wek<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
---------------<BR>>S tímto přirovnáním nesouhlasím, podle mne je úplně
scestné.<BR>>Nechápu, z jakého důvodu se vše přirovnává k
automobilům.<BR>>Kočí F.<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dne Wed, 11 Mar 2009
10:37:35 +0100 Petr Zahradnik <<A
href="mailto:clexpert@clexpert.cz">clexpert@clexpert.cz</A>>
<BR>>napsal/-a:<BR>><BR>>> Puvodni zprava ze dne 11.3.2009 od
Jan Waclawek:<BR>>><BR>>>> No, to mate presne ako s
jednocipmi: darmo su '51 najlepsie<BR>>>> jednocipy na svete, aj
tak kazdy tlaci PICka a AVRka...<BR>>><BR>>> To mas presne jako
s auty: kazdy majitel trabanta je presvedceny o<BR>>> tom, ze trabant
je nejlepsi auto na svete, prestoze ostatni jezdi v<BR>>> mercedesech,
bavoracich a jaguarech...<BR>>><BR>>> Petr Zahradnik, pocitacovy
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