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<P>&nbsp;24.10.2008, 16:45:35</P>
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<P>Kotvily se stozary RAMONu, predchudce TAMARY. Tamara pouzivala barvici pasku IBM pro XYploter a&nbsp;</P>
<P>na zacatku vyroby i nektere TTL zapadniho puvodu, nebot ceske ekvivalenty nedosahovaly potrebne</P>
<P>spolehlivosti.&nbsp;</P>
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<P>S pozdravem Pavel</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;<A class=RVTS6 href="mailto:gatilo">mailto:gatilo</A>&nbsp;+ zavinac + centrum.cz</P>
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<P>--</P>
<P>Juraj Mich&#225;lek napsal:</P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Tamara bola zavedena do vyzbroje v r. 1986, a podla vtedy platnych predpisov nesmelo vojenske zariadenie obsahovat ziadne suciastky (resp ich vyskyt musel byt &nbsp;minimalizovany) z kapitalistickej cudziny. jedinymi zahranicnymi suciastkami boli preto videomagnetofon na zaznam vzdusnej situacie a vrtacka na kotvy pjonjar. Po zjednoteni nemecka tamojsiu tamaru skutocne osadili pocitacom PC, ale len v ulohe "terminal styku s obsluhou", povodny pocitac ostal.&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>S pozdravom</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>Juraj Mich&#225;lek</SPAN></P>
<P><A class=RVTS10 href="http://www.toolsquare.com">www.toolsquare.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>ICQ: 209 598 598</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS11>----- Original Message -----&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:vaelektronik@vaelektronik.cz">Vl&#225;&#271;a And&#283;l</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:04 PM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Re: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Jak je star&#225; ta Tamara &#382;e je tam takov&#253; po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;? Myslel jsem &#382;e to vzniklo u&#382; v dob&#283; po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;&#367; PC.&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS11>----- Original Message -----&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:michalek@toolsquare.com">Juraj Mich&#225;lek</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:32 AM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Re: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Pokial by boli, tak nejake foto, zvonku, z vnutra, skusenosti s prevadzkou, pripadne kde sa to da este vidiet (V SR uz asi nie, vsetky Ramony a Tamary boli modernizovane na standard Vera.)</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>S pozdravom</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>Juraj Mich&#225;lek</SPAN></P>
<P><A class=RVTS10 href="http://www.toolsquare.com">www.toolsquare.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>ICQ: 209 598 598</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS11>----- Original Message -----&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:ladislav.krucinsky@linde-mh.cz">Kru&#269;insk&#253; Ladislav</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:39 PM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;RE: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>Nepopletl, RODAN 10 (32k RAM, 2 kan&#225;ly DMA, n&#283;co kan&#225;l&#367; znakov&#253;ch) byl v RAmon&#283;, RODAN 15 (1Mb RAM ...) byl (je) v Tama&#345;e.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>M&#283;l jsem kdesi celou polskou dokumentaci k ob&#283;ma Rodan&#367;m ale asi jsem ji nechal sv&#253;m n&#225;stupc&#367;m na kated&#345;e radiolokace.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>Co byste pot&#345;eboval bli&#382;&#353;&#237;ho k tomu po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;i ?</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS15>L. Kru&#269;insk&#253;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS18 href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</A><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;[mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz]&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS16>On Behalf Of&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>Juraj Mich&#225;lek</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:24 AM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;HW-news</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Re: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Pekny clanok, nemate o tom pocitaci nieco blizsie ?</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Len doplnim, ze pocitac RODAN 10 bol vojenskou verziou pocitaca ODRA, ktory bol v Polsku vyrabany podla licencie Anglickej firmy ICL. (dufam ze som nepoplietol nazvy) Pouzitie nasiel v radiotechnickom patraci Ramona</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>S pozdravom</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>Juraj Mich&#225;lek</SPAN></P>
<P><A class=RVTS10 href="http://www.toolsquare.com">www.toolsquare.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>ICQ: 209 598 598</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS11>----- Original Message -----&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:ladislav.krucinsky@linde-mh.cz">Kru&#269;insk&#253; Ladislav</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:17 PM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;RE: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>Zdrav&#237;m.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>T&#253;den jsem nebyl na netu a tak jsem si tohle vl&#225;kno, kter&#233; jsem sv&#253;m zp&#367;sobem zp&#367;sobil p&#345;e&#269;etl a&#382; te&#271;.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>K principu feritov&#233; pam&#283;ti a pro&#269; tam jsou pr&#225;v&#283; t&#345;i dr&#225;ty jsem sepsal takov&#253; velmi lehk&#253; &#269;l&#225;nek do str&#225;nek pana kolegy Kostomlatsk&#233;ho (</SPAN><A class=RVTS19 href="http://www.mcu.cz/plugins/tcpdf/pdf.php?news.451">www.mcu.cz/plugins/tcpdf/pdf.php?news.451</A><SPAN class=RVTS14>) bohu&#382;el v archivn&#237;m dokumentu se vytratily obr&#225;zky.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS14>Transform&#225;torov&#233; pam&#283;ti mo&#382;n&#225; pochop&#237;te a&#382; si uv&#283;dom&#237;te, &#382;e hustota dat byla prost&#283; takov&#225; jakou umo&#382;&#328;ovalo tkan&#237; dr&#225;tku 0.05mm na h&#345;eb&#237;nek z vodi&#269;&#367; vzd&#225;len&#253;ch cca 2mm od sebe. Ten h&#345;eb&#237;nek (t&#345;eba 32 vodi&#269;&#367;) bylo jedno slovo a podle toho, zda jste dr&#225;tek h&#345;eb&#237;nku obe&#353;il &#269;tec&#237;m vodi&#269;em vpravo nebo vlevo, dostal jste na dan&#233;m dr&#225;tu h&#345;eb&#237;nku jedni&#269;ku nebo nulu. Vzorek t&#233;to struktury m&#225;m taky doma. Ale jenom jedin&#253;, bohu&#382;el.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS15>L. Kru&#269;insk&#253;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz [mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz]&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS16>On Behalf Of&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>Michal HW</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:41 PM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;HW-news</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Re: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Pevn&#233; transfotm&#225;torov&#233; pam&#283;ti trosku nechapu, nebylo jednodussi udelat na desce vhodne propojky?</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Michal Gregor</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS11>----- Original Message -----&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:jaroslav.buchta@gmail.com">Jaroslav Buchta</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS13 href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">'HW-news'</A><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:33 PM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS12>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS11>&nbsp;RE: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS20>Nojo, ale vsadim se, ze by Sovetsky vojak usil novy program rychleji, nez by Amici odladili novy soft pod windows na sve 32b procesory ;-)&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>-----Original Message-----</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>From:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;</SPAN><A class=RVTS18 href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</A><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;[mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz]&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS16>On Behalf Of&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>Petr Kuklinek</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Sent:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:16 AM</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>To:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;HW-news</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS16>Subject:</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS17>&nbsp;Re: feritova pamat</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Dobr&#253; den,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>kolem feritov&#233; pam&#283;&#357; jsem kdysi chodil ka&#382;d&#253; den, ale vevnit&#345; jsem ji nikdy nevid&#283;l.</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Byla to nap&#345;&#237;klad opera&#269;n&#237; pam&#283;&#357; s&#225;lov&#233;ho po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;e EC1021 - &nbsp;jedna z m&#225;la &#269;&#225;st&#237;,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>kterou jsme jako technici neopravovali na m&#237;st&#283;, ale pos&#237;lali do laborato&#345;e.&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Ale sta&#269;ilo mi, kdy&#382; jsem ji n&#283;kolikr&#225;t museli n&#233;st ze schod&#367; do auta na opravu.</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Ten komplet 64kB v bedn&#283; s p&#345;&#237;slu&#353;nou elektronikou snad skute&#269;n&#283; v&#225;&#382;il 64 "kilo".</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Jinak byly v tomto po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;i zaj&#237;mav&#233; i pevn&#233; transfotm&#225;torov&#233; pam&#283;ti,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>kdy "1" se realizovala jako pr&#367;chod vodi&#269;e j&#225;drem a "0" mimo j&#225;dro.</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Tak se pr&#253; st&#225;valo, &#382;e kdy&#382; se rozjeja v&#253;roba nov&#233;ho po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;e a po nainstalov&#225;n&#237;&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>n&#283;kolika kus&#367; se zjistila nutnost &#250;pravy mikroprogramu n&#283;jak&#233; instrukce,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>musel pracovn&#237;k ZPA nafasovat &#269;alounickou zahnutou jehlu a klubko dr&#225;tu,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>tyto po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;e objet a pam&#283;ti p&#345;e&#353;&#237;t.</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>Tak&#233; jsem se s t&#237;m setkal jednou na vojensk&#233;m cvi&#269;en&#237;, kdy n&#225;m &#345;&#237;kali,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>&#382;e pokud by se st&#283;hoval n&#283;jak&#253; raketov&#253; odd&#237;l do z&#225;lo&#382;n&#237;ho postaven&#237;,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS17>musely by se jeho sou&#345;adnice p&#345;e&#353;&#237;t v transorm&#225;torov&#233; pam&#283;ti po&#269;&#237;ta&#269;e na velitelsk&#233;m stanovi&#353;ti,</SPAN><SPAN class=RVTS9>&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
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