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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>V literatuře se udává potřebná plocha na 1kW od 30
do 100m2 plochy podle vlhkosti země. Na těch 5kW to vidím asi tak na těch
250-300m2. Nebo na cca 50-70m hluboký vrt.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AZE</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tomas_k@comap.cz href="mailto:tomas_k@comap.cz">Kubat Tomas</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hw-list@list.hw.cz
href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:27
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OT] podlahove topeni</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900282604-26092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>muzu se zeptat jak "maly" zemni kolektor ? presne takovou
velikost TC planuji.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=900282604-26092006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>tomik.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz">hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz</A>
[mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>azehw<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, September 25, 2006 11:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> HW-news<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [OT] podlahove topeni<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TC zeme-voda (ci voda-voda, jak chcete),
500x500X800mm s vykonem cca 5 kW a jednofazovym motorem mi tady prave bezi :)
Staci mu docela maly zemni kolektor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AZE</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vaelektronik@mirnet.cz
href="mailto:vaelektronik@mirnet.cz">Vladimír Anděl</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hw-list@list.hw.cz
href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">HW-news</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 25, 2006 11:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OT] podlahove
topeni</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mozna takova kacirska myslenka. Pokud ten barak
mate nizkoenergeticky s potrebnym vykonem okolo 50W/m2 kdyz mrzne a misto
elektrokotle by ste si poridil tepelne cerpadlo (idealne kdyz pro to jsou
podminky voda-voda, nemusite si platit vrt nebo tu opicarnu s vetrakem na
zahrade), zjistite</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. ze mate energii tak levnou, ze se
nevyplati investovat do regulace</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. tepelna setrvacnost betonu a celeho baraku
je takova, ze stejne nema cenu v prubehu dne neco regulovat. Ale berte to
jen jako nazor cloveka, ktery se ke stavbe zatim chysta.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andel</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=buchta@compelson.cz href="mailto:buchta@compelson.cz">Jaroslav
Buchta</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hw-list@list.hw.cz
href="mailto:hw-list@list.hw.cz">'HW-news'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 25, 2006 8:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OT] podlahove
topeni</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=908230418-25092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>K tomu vypoctu me chybi jeste par neznamych, hlavne prestup tepla z
vody skrz trubky do betonu (trubku ALPEX 20mm, plast-hlinik-plast, tepelna
vodivost nebude dokonala) a prestup beton-vzduch</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=908230418-25092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Chtel jsem jen vedet, ze treba kdyz pustim do podlahy vodu 30stC
tak na povrchu betonu bude za hodinu z 15ti treba 25st, nebo jestli mam na
to cekat den. Cili prakticka zkusenost.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=908230418-25092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=908230418-25092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Vymyslim nejakou regulaci (asi upresnim po zkusenostech z letosniho
provizorniho provozu) a asi k tomu hodim nejake centralni PC(nejaka EPIA),
bude tam hodne rezimu a hodne rizeni. Jeste ze jsem vsechno dukladne
zadratoval ;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz [mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Novotný Pavel<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 24, 2006
11:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'HW-news'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OT] podlahove
topeni<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Beton ma
hustotu 1800 az 2200 kg/m3, mernou tepelnou kapacitu 880 J/kgK a mernou
tepelnou vodivost 0,9 az 1.3 W/mK z toho si podle provoznich
podminek muzete spočítat setrvačnost. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Je pomerne
znacna :-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">>kolik pak snese
maximalni teplotu vody bez poskozeni<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Beton urcite
snese vic nez ten kdo po te podlaze bude chodit nebo vic nez plastove
trubky, kterými ta voda potece.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- jaka je optimalni teplota
vody (nastaveni elektrokotle, predpokladam co nejnizsi, o chlup vyssi
nez teplota do podlahy)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Obecne ano, cim
nizsi potenciál tim lepe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- jak by se mela nastavit
pocatecni teplota vody pro prvni temperovani betonu (zraje asi 1
mesic)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Obecne teplota
vody v podlahovce by mela byt co nejnizsi , predpokladam, ze beton
je starsi 21 dni a 30 – <st1:metricconverter w:st="on"
ProductID="33 C">33 C</st1:metricconverter> nic nezkazite.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz [mailto:hw-list-bounces@list.hw.cz] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jaroslav
Buchta<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday,
September 24, 2006 8:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">HW-news</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [OT] podlahove
topeni</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zdravim, snad se pri nedeli
promine...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Zprovoznuju podlahove topeni
(vodni) a zajima mne par otazek.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- jakou tepelnou setrvacnost
(nebo jak to presneji nazvat) ma takova typicka podlaha s 45mm betonu
nad potrubim?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- jak by se mela nastavit
pocatecni teplota vody pro prvni temperovani betonu (zraje asi 1
mesic)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- kolik pak snese maximalni
teplotu vody bez poskozeni (asi zalezi na mnoha faktorech, ale zase
aspon nastrel)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- jaka je optimalni teplota
vody (nastaveni elektrokotle, predpokladam co nejnizsi, o chlup vyssi
nez teplota do podlahy)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Aby to bylo trosku HW, tak
resim potencialni problem, ale mozna ani nebude (takze mne zajima
pripadna zkusenost)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mam elektrokotel s vlastnim
cerpadlem (Rejnok 12), da se nastavit dobeh cerpadla po vypnuti topeni
4-20 minut nebo ze bezi furt. Dal budu mit krbova kamna s vodnim
vymenikem a vlastnim cerpadlem, ktere budou obcas taky tlacit teplou
vodu do systemu. Za kotlem i krbovkama je zpetna klapka ale resim,
jestli kdyz pobezi obe cerpadla tak co to udela... Zatim predpokladam,
ze na kotli nastavim cerpadlo na nizsi vykon (bude zrejme v rezimu furt,
jinak po vypnuti se do rozdelovacu podlahovky tepla voda z kotle
nedostane a ten se jen tak nezapne, aspon co jsem zkousel) a na
krbovkach naplno (spina se termostatem podle vody z vymeniku, takze jen
obcas). Doufam, ze to bude fungovat, kdyz krbovky pretlaci cerpadlo
kotle, tak se kotel po dosazeni teploty vypne, jinak se budu muset
pohrabat v kotli abych dokazal vypnout kotel i s cerpadlem okamzite, coz
normalne nejde... Tlakove pomery zrejme budou zaviset na aktualnim stavu
smesovacich ventilu v podlahovkach tekze od stavu uplne uzavreno az po
volny pruchod, v systemu je jeden radiator, ktery samozrejme muze byt
zavren, takze je mozne, ze bude obcas prutok velmi maly a pak by se
cerpadla mohly poprat a zda se mi rozumne, aby krbovky mely nejak vetsi
prioritu, protoze ohrev vody nelze vypnout
;-)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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